K=D8HB wrote:
"Bill Sohl" wrote


Just some additional things to consider...it isn't just a black and
white issue. There's all sorts of grey areas in the realm of free
speech limits.


Hi Bill,

Long time, no see! Hope you're well.

Everything you've described is a PRICE, not a limit.

Sure it's a limit, Hans.

Know why there's no Hummer in my driveway? Becasue it costs over
$60,000 to get one equipped the way I'd like it.

If the price was half that, I'd have one.

Seems like a limit to me.

You can argue the language all day long, Hans, but whether it's a
line in a lawbook saying "Thou shalt not..." or the threat of monetary
forfiture or imprisonment, there ARE limits.

You can use your same "argument" to say that there is no "limit"
to commiting murder or bank robbbery.

In accordance with the US Constitution I can say anything I want to
say. The
price I pay may be that I lose acess to a particular channel
communications
channel, but I am in no way limited in what I may say.

Stand up in a populated room and say "I am going to kill the
President" and see how far your "limit" on what you THINK you can say
goes.

The control freaks may
persuade the likes of "Consolidated" to decline to carry Todd's words
to us, but
in no way can they prevent him from saying them.

You try to set your own limits on what others say, Hans, by
applying your own labels, ie: "control freaks", with the intention that
this will cause them to change what they say to avoid your labelling.
You are trying to set your own limits.

You are very much the same "control freak" that you accuse others
of being.

Unfortunately, rather than
engage in an honest two-way dialog with someone with the grapes to
identify
himself, it is likely that Todd will become another of the many
"Lloyd's" who
infest rrap.

Yes, Todd "identified" himself, and as you say, he had "the
grapes" to do it.

Todd's issues are not with signing his name. They are with his
lack of civility and his failure to recognize that his behaviour, both
in this forum and on the air, are not welcomed.

"Congress shall make no law.... abridging the freedom of speech...."
--Amendment I, US Constitution

I know that by pointing this out I stand in danger of the same
treatment as
accorded to Todd, but let Steve do "his best" as he earlier alluded
in relation
to a member of my family.

I offered you a sincere "best wishes", Hans, and as usual you
tried to turn it into something else. I have, in the past, refered to
you as "Lennie with a License", and that is exactly why.

As Bill aptly pointed out, the First Ammendment restricts the
government from arbitrarily making those laws.

NOTHING in the Constitution says that it can't be ammended if the
citizens it governs so choose to do so. Perhaps it's time.

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote

NOTHING in the Constitution says that it can't be
ammended if the citizens it governs so choose to
do so.

Absolutely true, Steve. Go to work on that.

In the meantime, Ammendment I is the law of the land, regardless of how
distasteful you find it.

de Hans, K0HB

"K4YZ" wrote

Stand up in a populated room and say "I am going to kill
the President" and see how far your "limit" on what you
THINK you can say goes.

Nice Lennie-esque attempt at misdirection-by-outrageous-exaggeration, Steve.
Todd, however distasteful his language, did not threaten the life of the
President. He simply argued (in horribly crude language, and mostly without
logical basis) that his rights for free speech on ham radio were threatened.

You don't agree with his assertions, and neither do I (see we CAN agree on
something) but it's spookily ironic that your response was behaviour which
reinforced his contention, by suppressing his expression of ideas!

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of speech and that cannot be limited without
being lost."
-- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd US President

de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" wrote in message
nk.net...
"K4YZ" wrote

Stand up in a populated room and say "I am going to kill
the President" and see how far your "limit" on what you
THINK you can say goes.

Nice Lennie-esque attempt at misdirection-by-outrageous-exaggeration,
Steve. Todd, however distasteful his language, did not threaten the life
of the President. He simply argued (in horribly crude language, and
mostly without logical basis) that his rights for free speech on ham radio
were threatened.

You don't agree with his assertions, and neither do I (see we CAN
agree on something) but it's spookily ironic that your response was
behaviour which reinforced his contention, by suppressing his expression
of ideas!


Hans are you saying that Todd may say whatever he wants whenever where he
wants however he wants on the ham bands? Do you believe then that Part 97
is unconstitutional when it prohibits commericial use and foul language?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I have never used my ham radio for commercial use nor have I used foul
language on it either. Steve assumes that since I do it on the internet
then I do it on the ham radio. Steve has never heard my transmission
yet he claims that's what I'm doing.
Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
I have never used my ham radio for commercial use nor have I used
foul
language on it either.

I never said you used it for commercial purposes. I never said
you use profanity on the air...I said you have to POTENTIAL to be the
same potty mouth on the air as you are here.

Steve assumes that since I do it on the internet
then I do it on the ham radio.

I assume nothing. However people who insist on violating civil
decorum in one forum tend to do it in others.

Remember the Vice President's faux pas a few weeks ago...?!?!

Steve has never heard my transmission yet he claims that's
what I'm doing.

You continue to insist that I have never heard you on the air,
Todd, yet you've never been to my station to know if I have or not, nor
have you had any representitive in my home to attest one way or the
other.

Why do you keep making this assertion when you know it's not
true...?!?!

And what seventh grader did you pay to make that post for you,
Todd...?!?! No profanity...Proper grammar...You even got periods in
the right places. I am impressed...What ever you paid the kid, double
it and keep him/her around...

Congratulations.

73

Steve, K4YZ

I never said you used it for commercial purposes. I never said
you use profanity on the air...I said you have to POTENTIAL to be the
same potty mouth on the air as you are here.

Don't assume anything stevey, despite what YOU think the internet and
radio are two different media's are are regulated differently. What you
can not say on the radio you can say on the internet.

I'll ignore the rest of the crap you wrote.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
I never said you used it for commercial purposes. I never said
you use profanity on the air...I said you have to POTENTIAL to be
the
same potty mouth on the air as you are here.

Don't assume anything stevey, despite what YOU think the internet and
radio are two different media's are are regulated differently. What
you
can not say on the radio you can say on the internet.

I'll ignore the rest of the crap you wrote.

Of course you will...You can't answer any of it in any meaningful
way that DOESN'T make you look like a fool...so take the easy way out.

Steve, K4YZ

More mistruth from the N9OGL lie-fest, n9oglvoice.blogspot.com:

Well, the beat goes on, and the question is who's threating who? Let's
start at he beginning, N9OGL (ME) announced on the newsgroup
rec.radio.amateur,policy that I was going to run an information
bulletin on HF. (An Information bulletin is not defined by the FCC
except that an information bulletin has to be directed to amateur radio
operators and consist solely of amateur radio material.(97.3(a)(26)

An "information bulletin" that you refer to as a "show". A "show"
that is nothing more than a showcase for your rhetoric..

It was then that control freak Steven Robbieson K4YZ began his nazi
style campaign against me and my information bulletin claiming it was
illegal and even had the balls to tell my internet service provider
that I was "promote wanton violation of federal regulations" (Letter to
Illinois Consolidated Communication). He claimed all this #### despite
the fact that I proved that he was full of ####.

Todd...I gave you a "pass" on this the first time around because I
know it was too easy for you to get confused with everything going
on...

You ARE promoting wanton violation of FCC rules and regulations.
You have stated, on numerous occassions, that you operated both a
"pirate" TV and FM station...You've said you'd do it again.

I gave a link to the FCC website that stated what I've been say the
whole time, that my staion is legal and there NOTHING he can do about
it.

So you have.

And I provided links to YOUR assertions of the aforementioned
"pirate" operations. Along with your gross profanities, razor blade
comments, references to my deceased daughter, etc etc etc.

Civil people don't act that way, Todd, and your ISP agreed. You
were warned but blew it off.

He claims that I'm abusive yet he has to cry and whine like the little
##### he is, to my service provider claiming I'm promote wanton
violation of federal law although he knows dam well that my information
bulletin are legal,

It's not about your shows, Todd....

If he doesn't then he is just as dumb as I thought he was. Speaking of
dumb, that brings us to steve's girlfriend Little Jimmy KC8GXW who
claims he's going to run two radio's on either side of my information
bulletin (malicious Interference).

And like I said...If he does, then that's on him...And my wife
won't let me have a girlfriend, Todd.

Although he might think it funny that he and his little #### K4YZ is
"yanking my chain" we will see if the FCC thinks their yanking my chain
is funny!

I am not yanking your chain, Todd...I told you it had BEEN
yanked...

So who's threating who? we have liar K4YZ and his little whore Jimmy
getting on the newsgroup acting like they own the place and suggestion
to cause malicious interference with my LEGAL station.

You SAY it's legal. We have no evidence of it. You randymouthed
other correspondents about being "appliance operators", yet when tasked
to list YOUR station, you balked.

I hope that people on that newsgroup wise up and kick Stevey and Jimmy
harassing ###es off the newsgroup.

The harrassing one already got booted, Todd. At least for a
while...The one who signed your name and call yesterday was actually
polite and civil. Was that you, or did you give someone your
password...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Steve,

An "information bulletin" that you refer to as a "show". A "show"
that is nothing more than a showcase for your rhetoric..

Despite what you hink steve and information bulletin doesn't have to be
a "newscast" it only has to be directed only to amteur radio operators
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service.

Todd...I gave you a "pass" on this the first time around because I
know it was too easy for you to get confused with everything going
on...

You ARE promoting wanton violation of FCC rules and regulations.
You have stated, on numerous occassions, that you operated both a
"pirate" TV and FM station...You've said you'd do it again.

First off I never ran a Pirate radio station, I applied for a LPFM
license, Secondly that's between me and the FCC, and as I stated before
they will NOT doing anything about, and finally You don't know what the
HELL was going on so I suggest you shut your ****ing mouth, that does
concern you.

And I provided links to YOUR assertions of the aforementioned
"pirate" operations. Along with your gross profanities, razor blade
comments, references to my deceased daughter, etc etc etc.
Civil people don't act that way, Todd, and your ISP agreed. You
were warned but blew it off.

First off you taking the razor blade too serious....I don't you name in
that post and was not directed towards you directly. The problem with
service porviders is they only respond to complaints they don't
investigate the complaint. if my ISP was on here and realize what a
PRICK you are perhaps they would change their mine.

You SAY it's legal. We have no evidence of it. You randymouthed
other correspondents about being "appliance operators", yet when
tasked
to list YOUR station, you balked

Below there is a link to the FCC website where you and others on this
website can read all about information bulletins

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...nications.html


The harrassing one already got booted, Todd. At least for a
while...The one who signed your name and call yesterday was actually
polite and civil. Was that you, or did you give someone your
password...?!?!

Well steve on a final note I hope that people on this newsgroup wise up
and get sick of your harassment and boot your sorry ass off the
newsgroup

Todd N9OGL