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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
Slow Code wrote: I wouldn't soil my email address by sending a message to Coast to Coast. I tend to agree - most of what is talked about on Coast to Coast is ridiculous. I may believe in EVP and ITC, but I have my limits, but I also don't put EVP and ITC in the same class as aliens, mind control conspiracies, and so on. EVP is a proven phenomenon which can be repeated consistently with results (but not always right away). And I believe EVP to be a valid scientific experiment - an ongoing one, since nobody has definitively come out to explain it away. |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
She owns the couch.If she is on her couch (seeeee,I usually lounge on my
left side on her couch) or on the floor and she needs to go out in the front yard,she slurps out my right ear.On the other hand if I am sitting upright on her couch and if she is on the floor and she needs to go out in the front yard,she is subject to slurp out either one of my ears. cuhulin |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
It isn't complicated at all.As soon as she got house broken,she figured
out on her own to slurp out my ears when she needs to go out in the front yard.American Kennel Club says Australian Cattle Dogs are highly intelligent. www.acdca.org www.cattledog.com cuhulin |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
It takes physical power to push/vibrate air so that we can hear/listen
to whichever sound or sounds.Ghosts and spirits can not push air around. cuhulin .................................................. ...... In Space,no one can hear you scream .................................................. ...... |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy beings. Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all, we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a dream if it wasn't energy? If you know what a soul is, then you are ahead of me and most of the philosophers of the past two thousand years. I cannot refute that spirits have souls because (a) I have no sense myself of what a soul is, and (b) I have no way of knowing what you mean by "soul." Spirits are the same as us, except they do not usually have sustained control over bodies of flesh and blood. Are we energy? I put it to you that if we were stripped of all our flesh and bone, we could not be measured, any more than the essence (soul?) of a dead person can be measured after it "leaves" its corpse. Similarly, spirits cannot be measured directly by machine, and therefore cannot be said to possess energy or be made of energy. What they can do is affect the human brain and nervous system, just as we can. Their control is (usually) not as extensive or as refined as our own. We learn to control our bodies from birth, whereas spirits only get a chance to drive a body of flesh during partial or complete possession (which is quite common, by the way). While a spirit is controlling a body, partially or completely, it can affect that body, and can use that body to affect its environment. These effects can be measured and recorded, and have energy. Point is, all things tangible and persistent about a spirit require a body of flesh. It is our memories that define our personalities, our very identities. Spirits outside flesh do not have memories. Hence they have no definite identities. They can develop identities only when they begin to interact with living minds encased in flesh. This interaction may be passive -- they may do no more than observe -- but the interaction allows them to acquire a sense of self. They manifest and express themselves through the human mind, which projects their expressions outward (so to speak) and One theory behind EVP was that the voices were actually coming from the experimenter's mind. Experiments using conscious manipulation proved futile and there was no telepathic link from the mind to the recording. If you are talking about something else (through who's human mind - ours or theirs?) It's simplistic to say that spirit voices come from the mind of the perceiver. The mind of a human being is used by a spirit to enable it to articulate itself. It does not speak, even though it may seem to speak -- it creates the illusion of a voice by manipulating the inner perceptions of the hearer. The only way a spirit can speak is to possess its host, and then use the physical voice of that person to express itself in words. There is no such thing as a disembodied spirit voice, although there is often the very real perception of a disembodied spirit voice. Just as the image in a dream is not seen with the physical eyes, a disembodied spirit voice is not heard with the ears -- it only seems to be heard with the ears. The illusion is perfect. Often times a spirit voice cannot be distinguished from the voice of a physical speaker. translates them into terms human consciousness is able to comprehend. White noise provides a convenient matrix for them to communicate, since the human mind is ever anxious to pick recognizable patterns out of chaos. However, they are not able to physically impress their voices on recording devices, since they do not have voices, in any mechanical sense. You're referring to a physical voice? It's hard to define a voice since a voice isn't a physical object, but sound waves. Then you have voices travelling through radio waves which you can't detect unless you have an antenna and the proper gadgetry. According to EVP theory, there are two ways a spirit can communicate - telepathically and *through speaking* - we don't hear them because we can't see them, though sometimes people do hear voices and instantly dismiss them as an overactive imagination. Again, this goes more into the "how" - which if anyone easily knew the answer, then there would be no debate. Spirits do not rely on radio to speak. Rather, they rely on the white noise of static to supply a kind of textured background that allows them to more easily manipulate the auditory perceptions of the listener so that the listener gets the illusion of having heard spoken words. When I refer to white noise, I mean any chaotic background of an audible kind. they cannot be photographed, since they do not have physical bodies. Images of the deceased (not including orbs or other white anamolies, but actual facial images) have shown up in photographs for centuries. Many were hoaxes, but many more cannot be proven a hoax. You can't dismiss *every* photograph because you believe they can't be photographed. I can indeed dismiss all spirit photographs, because I know that spirits have no physical bodies of any kind. They are no more physical than the figures we see in our dreams. They cannot impress photographic film with an image. What they can do is convince suggestible individuals that vague shapes in photographs are spirit figures. They are able to modify perception so that what to one person would seem no more than a meaningless blur appears, to a susceptible person, the face of a spiritual being. It is all done in the mind. Spirits manipulate human minds, not the physical world. In fact, cameras pick up *many* things the human eye cannot, and stuff like different nanometers of light which we don't see aren't exactly physical. Jeff Energy is physical. Matter and energy are, at root, one and the same. What is not physical is a pattern. A pattern requires a physical matrix, but it is independent of the matrix upon which it is based. Letters of the alphabet, for example, must be inscribed on something to be perceived, or at least imagined in the mind, but they are not a part of the base that supports their manifest forms. They are ideals in the Platonic sense. They exist apart from matter -- however, apart from matter their existence cannot be measured or recorded. Or think of it this way. A spirit is like a piece of music. It is a pattern that requires physical media to express itself, but is not the physical media by which it is expressed. Music is not the sound -- the sound is only its vehicle. Similarly, spirits require human minds to express themselves, but they are not a part of human minds -- yet apart from human minds they lack form or identity. Their abstract nature becomes manifest when they are filtered through our brains. On their own, they don't have bodies, they don't have forms, they don't have voices. Exactly what they are is beyond our comprehension, since they are unlike everything we think we know. My belief is that they are beings of higher dimensions who are able to insert themselves into our awareness (what we think of as reality) via our minds. They put on forms, identities, voices, to interact with us, but they put them on as we would put on a suit of clothing. However, it is a curious property of spirits that the identities they assume become truly their identities for them. Just as our identities over time become us. Spirits do not often lie about who they are -- they truly believe they are the poses them adopt in order to interact with human beings. |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices. I see your point, but until you do a recording yourself and pick up a voice speaking your name or of some other relevance in a loud and clear manner then you really haven't understood EVP, because trust me - it'll leave you scratching your head and probably invoke a little fear for first-timers. Jeff There is the question of poltergeist phenomena -- the possibility that a spirit can, in some unknown manner, use the energies of a human host to cause changes in the physical environment in nonstandard ways. I think this kind of event may occur, based on the recorded eye-witness evidence for it, but it is also possible that some other factor is at work (deception used by the possessed host; self-deception on the part of the witnesses). If poltergeists exist, then it is not beyond possibility that spirits can use human energies to modify physical recording devices. I tend to believe this does not happen, but I would not dismiss the possibility out of hand. |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
Once you examine the
strongest evidence, you can only conclude that yes, indeed it's a voice, but where did it come from and why does it even sound like a dead person would? Jeff Dead persons can't talk, so they don't sound like anything. If you mean spooky horror film voices, sometimes the cliche is the reality. Spirits do talk in weird ways. They shout, they curse, they growl, they whisper. Or so it seems to our awareness. My own theory is that part of the reason that both spirit voices and spirit faces are so often distorted is that spirits lack perfect control over our minds, and so they express themselves imperfectly. It's like trying to drive a car when you've never learned to drive. You go jerking and weaving all over the place. It takes practice. Maybe some spirits just never get the knack. |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out how to just whisper in your ear? wrote: Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive. Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only particular brands of tape recorders. Al Smith wrote: Spirits do not actually have voices, But they are good RF engineers? They cannot form actual words, They cannot form actual words, but they -CAN- generate an AF modulated (with actual words) RF signal? Really, now? Please, don't expect the rest of us to be as gullible as you. :-( |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
Spirits,,,,,,,
Life is likeeeeeee,,,,, a Mountain Railroaddd, with an Engineeerrrr,who is brave,,,,,, We must makeeee the run sucessfullll,from the craaaadle to the gravvvvve,,,,,,,, Keep your handddd upon the Throttle,and your Eyyyyes upon the Rail,,,,,,,,,, cuhulin |
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Recording the back of my scanner ... weird voices
I think poltergeist only jump into mixed up peoples bodies.Those people
need to see a shrink and get their minds straightened out and then they should have no more problems with poltergeist. cuhulin,the Exorist |
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