On 6/9/2011 8:31 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

...
The only Gods worshiped by HVAC, Hagar, BDK and their rabbi Saul Levy
are dark and scary, as well as sadistic and perverted, plus into inter-
species sexual experimentation.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

I still think he is lying about reading!

The only reading he does is an endeavor to stick words and ideas on
someone else and then attack the same material he has fraudulently
developed by such!

--

Regards,
JS
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry

On 6/9/2011 7:58 AM, John Smith wrote:

...

You mean, "Einsteins creators' properties", no, Einstein only indicated
that this creator is responsible for the existence, order and laws of
the universe.


Funny that I've never read that before.
You wouldn't mind give me a cite, would you?


“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning
power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea
of God.” -- Albert Einstein



“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to
know His thoughts; the rest are details.”

“When the solution is simple, God is answering.”

The above provided by Albert ...

--

Regards,
JS
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry

In article 74a0283e-3065-4492-9dd6-8a9c5f196294
@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 9, 7:58*am, John Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2011 2:47 AM, HVAC wrote:









On 6/8/2011 7:32 PM, John Smith wrote:

Did you just become aware we don't even know what properties the ether
has?

And we don't know what properties your god has.
Coincidence? I think not.
...

You mean, "Einsteins creators' properties", no, Einstein only indicated
that this creator is responsible for the existence, order and laws of
the universe.

Funny that I've never read that before.
You wouldn't mind give me a cite, would you?

?That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning
power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea
of God.? -- Albert Einstein

--

Regards,
JS
?The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it?s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.? -- Patrick Henry

The only Gods worshiped by HVAC, Hagar, BDK and their rabbi Saul Levy
are dark and scary, as well as sadistic and perverted, plus into inter-
species sexual experimentation.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

I don't worship any gods Brad. That's for the weak minded and gullible,
and your fellow Guthballian lunatics.

--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:55:16 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith :

On 6/8/2011 3:23 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:23:20 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John :

On 6/7/2011 10:40 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
He refuted your assertion, which was specifically about
Einstein's religious beliefs ("I think Einstein, absolutely,
considered a unbelievably intelligent creator a strong
possibility!"). And no amount of complaining about it will
change that.

Deal with it.

snip

Interesting new tact

That would probably be "tack", O Wise One:

"tact (t²kt) n. 1. Acute sensitivity to what is proper and
appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to
speak or act without offending."

"tack1 (t²k) n. ...
1. Nautical. a. To change the direction or course of a
vessel: ready to tack on the captain's signal. b. To change
tack: The ship tacked to starboard. 2. To change one's
course of action. [Middle English tak, fastener, from Old
North French taque, probably of Germanic origin.]"

If not, thanks for the compliment.

, you have tossed in, agree with what I am pointing
out and, yet, claim it is differing ... still, just a version of the
strawman argument ... how limited ...

Do you have the faintest idea what you think you're talking
about?

You mean...

I mean exactly what I stated.

I guess you don't...

Dream on ... it is plain to see ...

Your assertion that Einstein professed to believe in a
personal deity, even though he specifically denied it?

Yes, it's quite plain.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 19:02:38 -0400, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC :

On 6/8/2011 6:29 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 05:39:44 -0400, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by :

On 6/7/2011 1:37 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:


I suspect that she's confused. No superpowers (AFAIK) are
ascribed to Guatama by Buddhism; he was an enlightened
teacher, not a deity.


Another thing about Buddha....Didn't he run out on his
wife and infant son to hang out with his buddies ?

Damfino, but what has that to do with the question?



Just busting some Buddha balls is all.

Personally, I don't think Buddhism is a religion at all.

Quite a few apparently feel that way, since it doesn't
involve deities.

Personally, I feel that "religion" encompasses any belief
involving spiritualism in any form (i.e., anything for which
belief rather than evidence is basic), and at least one
dictionary definition seems to agree:

"A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the
teachings of a spiritual leader."

Seems specifically appropriate for Buddhism...
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:04:12 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith :

On 6/8/2011 3:19 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:16:02 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John :

On 6/7/2011 10:48 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
Diety? Same circle? Again? Isn't "deity" the equivalent of "God?"

Is it? Is Thor "God"? How about Shiva? Zeus?

Do you wish to purchase a clue?

snip transference idiocy

Again, I tied "deity" to "creator" and "God", and took it for granted I
would be speaking who are rooted in reality ...

Reality is the belief by millions, past and present, in the
existence of thousands of deities, most whom aren't referred
to as "God". Language isn't your first language, is it?

I guess it isn't.

If the set of false-pseudo-deities are thrown in, we are back again to
your attempting to go out on tangents and run back to the same religious
focus at the center of most of your post ...

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle...

As always, the "God" is the creator which we were discussing

We weren't discussing a creator. We were discussing the
propagation of EM radiation in a vacuum, and Einstein's lack
of belief in a personal deity. HTH.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:20:29 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith :

On 6/8/2011 9:18 PM, Olrik wrote:

...
You will wait a long time, John Smith.

Meanwhile, John Smith, EM waves still propagate in a vacuum at the speed
of light.

Yep, a vacuum full of gravitational ether, same stuff which conducts
light -- just another form (frequency) of EM ...

Einstein's "gravitational ether" was a metaphor (you can ask
Mommy what that means) and no physical medium is required
for the propagation of EM radiation.

IOW, there's no "stuff"; there's only spacetime shaped by
mass and energy.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On 6/9/2011 10:42 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
Do you have the faintest idea what you think you're talking
about?

You mean...

I mean exactly what I stated.

I guess you don't...

Dream on ... it is plain to see ...

Your assertion that Einstein professed to believe in a
personal deity, even though he specifically denied it?

Yes, it's quite plain.

My "claim(s)" are these are direct quotes from Einstein:

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning
power, which is

revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” --
Albert Einstein

“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by

the laughter of the gods.” -- Albert Einstein

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
-- Albert Einstein

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon,

in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts;
the rest are

details.” -- Albert Einstein

“When the solution is simple, God is answering.” -- Albert Einstein

But, now, I must further claim your spin tactics are to put words into
others mouths, then claim they are making your supplied "claims", and
claim they are false ...

Further, you attempt to degrade and deny Einstein and his
statements/beliefs in such spin tactics.

That is all which is happening here, that is all which has been
happening since you and your ilk has stuck their religion-focused-arses
into the discussion, before your type came on the scene ...

--

Regards,
JS
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry

On Jun 9, 8:41*am, John Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2011 8:31 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

...
The only Gods worshiped by HVAC, Hagar, BDK and their rabbi Saul Levy
are dark and scary, as well as sadistic and perverted, plus into inter-
species sexual experimentation.

*http://www.wanttoknow.info/
*http://translate.google.com/#
* Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

I still think he is lying about reading!

The only reading he does is an endeavor to stick words and ideas on
someone else and then attack the same material he has fraudulently
developed by such!

--

Regards,
JS
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry

It's classic FUD-master stuff.

On 6/9/2011 10:49 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
I guess it isn't.

If the set of false-pseudo-deities are thrown in, we are back again to
your attempting to go out on tangents and run back to the same religious
focus at the center of most of your post ...

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle...

As always, the "God" is the creator which we were discussing

We weren't discussing a creator. We were discussing the
propagation of EM radiation in a vacuum, and Einstein's lack
of belief in a personal deity. HTH.

My "claim(s)" are these are direct quotes from Einstein:

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning
power, which is

revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” --
Albert Einstein

“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by

the laughter of the gods.” -- Albert Einstein

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
-- Albert Einstein

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon,

in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts;
the rest are

details.” -- Albert Einstein

“When the solution is simple, God is answering.” -- Albert Einstein

But, now, I must further claim your spin tactics are to put words into
others mouths, then claim they are making your supplied "claims", and
claim they are false ...

Further, you attempt to degrade and deny Einstein and his
statements/beliefs in such spin tactics.

That is all which is happening here, that is all which has been
happening since you and your ilk has stuck their religion-focused-arses
into the discussion, before your type came on the scene ...

Your circular disinformation, personal attacks, obfuscation, etc. simply
requires the same response, as I gave last time ...

--

Regards,
JS
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry