John Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2011 2:18 PM, Keith Willshaw wrote:
John Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2011 10:42 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
Do you have the faintest idea what you think you're talking
about?

You mean...

I mean exactly what I stated.

I guess you don't...

Dream on ... it is plain to see ...

Your assertion that Einstein professed to believe in a
personal deity, even though he specifically denied it?

Yes, it's quite plain.

My "claim(s)" are these are direct quotes from Einstein:

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior
reasoning power, which is

revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” --
Albert Einstein

“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and
Knowledge is shipwrecked by

the laughter of the gods.” -- Albert Einstein


Well now we know Einstein was raised Jewish so this is hardly a
prefession of religious belief. What we have here is a sequence
of snipperts taken out of context

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is
blind.” -- Albert Einstein


Lets complete this paragraph shall we

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior Spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are
able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. The deeply
emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning Power,
which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of
God.” See how taking it out of context twists the meaning ?

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in
this or that phenomenon,

in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His
thoughts; the rest are

details.” -- Albert Einstein

This was written in 1905 when he was 26 years old using allegory to
make a point. This is scarcely an espousal of conventional judaism.


“When the solution is simple, God is answering.” -- Albert Einstein


Allegory again

But, now, I must further claim your spin tactics are to put words
into others mouths, then claim they are making your supplied
"claims", and claim they are false ...

Further, you attempt to degrade and deny Einstein and his
statements/beliefs in such spin tactics.


I don't but you apparently do so let me give some full and
unabridged quotes In 1927

"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the
actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on
creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact
that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in
doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble
admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in
the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can
comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance-but for
us, not for God. " In 1945
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have
always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion
the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an
agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the
professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of
liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in
youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the
weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our
being." In 1954
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not
believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of
the world so far as our science can reveal it. " Shortly before he died
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product
of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."




That is all which is happening here, that is all which has been
happening since you and your ilk has stuck their
religion-focused-arses into the discussion, before your type came on
the scene ...


The only person who persists on bringing in religion is YOU
and you are the only person who believes that telling the
truth is degrading.

Keith



Do your song and dance, I think most can realize what Einsteins
Creator was ... that Einstein acknowledged the existence of such and
intelligence ...

Your particular religious belief in atheism is also noted.


Pretense of psychic skills was to be expected but note again that
in NONE of these threads have I mentioned my own beliefs

So, sing, dance, be merry, we have established the base lines ...

Indeed we have your kookdom

Keith

On 6/10/2011 1:00 AM, Keith Willshaw wrote:

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Pretense of psychic skills was to be expected but note again that
in NONE of these threads have I mentioned my own beliefs

So, sing, dance, be merry, we have established the base lines ...

Indeed we have your kookdom

Keith



What we have is a complete record of your beliefs, actions, methods, and
mechanizations, recorded in your posts here.

And, what they amount to is mind which has predetermined religious
belief(s) that there is no creator, that there is no mind/intelligence
which is responsible for the creation of the universe.

We have your bizarre claims and faith that this is but one humongous
accident/magic, that these sort of things "just happen" and that matter
and life are only products of spontaneous generation.

Since this requires an incredible leap of faith and absurdly ridiculous
religious faith, you are just a nutjob who would straighten out and
educate the best thinking minds that they are gravely in error ...

But, perhaps worst of all, you expect us to swallow all that and not laugh.

.... come on ... how many other incredibly complex designs do you see
"just happening?" Do you often dig up such things which have formed out
of the elements and just lie about awaiting discovery in the dirt?

ROFLOL!

Regards,
JS


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Regards,
JS
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the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry