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Seven Years, Two Months Ago Today
On Mar 19, 6:42�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote: On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: " wrote groups.com: Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen. Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP he did just as he said he would years ago * *I did NOT "do as I said years ago." * No, you most certainly did not. *You made a boast over seven years back of going for an "Extra right out of the box". * You did squat for those years. Dave, Haven't you figured out Len's game yet? It's really simple. He plants errors in his posts, then argues with and derides some of those who point them out. * *MANUFACTURED * *some life-enduring "promise" out of whole cloth, taking it well * *out of context at the time. It was not manufactured at all and was certainly not taken out of context. *That you now find it embarrassing is the issue. Here's a link to that posting of Jan 19, 2000: http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv And the famous quote: LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " "an old friend" knows what Len meant. You know what Len meant. I know what Len meant. Anyone who understands plain English who reads that post knows what Len meant. btw - more recently, Len boasted that he could pass the Extra with or without the Morse Code test. Since he waited until after the Morse Code test was eliminated, it proved to be an idle boast. * *I did not seriously consider getting an amateur radio license * *until the 17th of February. Note that Len does not mention which year! I think he meant Feb 17 1999, soon after the Reply Comments to 98-143 closed. You know - the Reply Comments where he proposed a minimum age of 14 years for any class of Amateur Radio license. That's the truth regardless of how * *others twist around old statements of mine. * See? It's all other people's fault. Even though Len wrote: LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " way back then. I find it difficult to accept your claim as factual. * *However, once * *IN, I plan to stay in...until I decide to get out (if I do). Everyone who becomes a radio amateur has a finite time in which to participate. Do you think Len has an HF amateur radio station of his own operational yet? If he ever does set up a station, do you think it will be a state-of-the-art experimental station, mostly homebrew? Or do you think it will be an assembly of off-the-shelf manufactured equipment? * *Once a REAL decision has been made, then one can work * *towards that goal with more attention. * I could have told Len that back in 1970, when I got my Extra in the summer between 10th and 11th grade. There is NO extra- * *special, genius (or genuous) level of knowledge required to * *pass those tests. * Yup. Yet it took Len all those years to get his. I don't recall a single Morse-tested Extra class licensee ever saying that the Amateur Extra was a mark of genius. Not a one. * *All it takes is some attention-focused * *work. How about that! Even with all of Len's PROFESSIONAL experience, it took *work* for him to pass the Extra. I didn't think it was work at all, back in 1970. Nor now. Many told you so. *You usually dismissed them. *You were told the same about learning Morse code. Consider Len's game, Dave. He says he will do things, then doesn't do them. Like the way he said he would leave rrap when the Morse Code test was eliminated. Element 1 went away, but Len didn't. Or he says things and then denies he said them. Then folks waste time pointing out his errors, and he gets to insult them for telling the truth. Keep at it and he'll toss in the Byte Brothers quote and other insults. Here's that link anc quote, again: http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " And he finally did - seven years later. Now he's finally a new radio amateur. A novice, beginner, tyro, tenderfoot, wet-behind-the-ears, just-out-of-the-box newbie to amateur radio. Go a little easy on Len. He needs quite a bit of Elmering, I think. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Seven Years, Two Months Ago Today
On Mar 19, 9:13�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote: On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: " wrote roups.com: Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen. Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP he did just as he said he would years ago I did NOT "do as I said years ago." LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " No, you most certainly did not. You made a boast over seven years back of going for an "Extra right out of the box". ? You did squat for those years. Dave, Haven't you figured out Len's game yet? It's really simple. He plants errors in his posts, then argues with and derides some of those who point them out. Well he *makes* a great many factual errors. *I didn't think they were all planted though. I didn't say they were *all* planted. But consider the one under discussion. Len wrote in January 2000 that he was going for Extra out of the box. No mention of waiting for the Morse Code test to be removed. Then he finally does it seven years and some days later. All easily verified facts. But then he says he did not do as he said he would do, years ago. Why would someone put such an obvious and easily-disproved error into a posting here? MANUFACTURED some life-enduring "promise" out of whole cloth, taking it well out of context at the time. See? There he goes! The context is crystal clear, yet he says the whole thing is "MANUFACTURED". It was not manufactured at all and was certainly not taken out of context. That you now find it embarrassing is the issue. Here's a link to that posting of Jan 19, 2000: http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv And the famous quote: LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " "an old friend" knows what Len meant. You know what Len meant. I know what Len meant. Anyone who understands plain English who reads that post knows what Len meant. I'm banking on that. *He bragged. *He fell. He finally did it, though. btw - more recently, Len boasted that he could pass the Extra with or without the Morse Code test. Since he waited until after the Morse Code test was eliminated, it proved to be an idle boast. It is something he'll never have the opportunity to find out. I'm sure a simulated test could be arranged. I did not seriously consider getting an amateur radio license until the 17th of February. Note that Len does not mention which year! No, he does not. I think he meant Feb 17 1999, soon after the Reply Comments to 98-143 closed. You know - the Reply Comments where he proposed a minimum age of 14 years for any class of Amateur Radio license. * *That's the truth regardless of how others twist around old statements of mine. See? It's all other people's fault. Even though Len wrote: LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " way back then. I find it difficult to accept your claim as factual. However, once IN, I plan to stay in...until I decide to get out (if I do). Everyone who becomes a radio amateur has a finite time in which to participate. Do you think Len has an HF amateur radio station of his own operational yet? Noooooo. If he ever does set up a station, do you think it will be a state-of-the-art experimental station, mostly homebrew? Noooooo. Or do you think it will be an assembly of off-the-shelf manufactured equipment? Assuredly. It's really simple: Len wants others to do as he says, not as he does. Once a REAL decision has been made, then one can work towards that goal with more attention. I could have told Len that back in 1970, when I got my Extra in the summer between 10th and 11th grade. I believe you could have. *Len just procrastinated for decades. *He couldn't overcome inertia. Nobody really knows. * *There is NO extra- special, genius (or genuous) level of knowledge required to pass those tests. Yup. Yet it took Len all those years to get his. Inertia. Maybe. I don't recall a single Morse-tested Extra class licensee ever saying that the Amateur Extra was a mark of genius. Not a one. So where does Len get his ideas? *Does he forget that *he* is the one who has stated such things? Actually, that's probably true. Have you forgotten the post where I explained the basics of the psychological terms "projection" and "transference"? Here's a handy link, for reference: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en or http://tinyurl.com/2jsrdb All it takes is some attention-focused work. How about that! Even with all of Len's PROFESSIONAL experience, it took *work* for him to pass the Extra. But what has Len said of "work" in the past? Refresh my memory. I didn't think it was work at all, back in 1970. Nor now. You wouldn't think it would be much work for a PROFESSIONAL. I do recall Len complaining that learning Morse Code was hard work for him. He claimed to have reached 7 or 8 wpm way back when. Many told you so. You usually dismissed them. You were told the same about learning Morse code. Consider Len's game, Dave. He says he will do things, then doesn't do them. Like the way he said he would leave rrap when the Morse Code test was eliminated. Element 1 went away, but Len didn't. If you couple his deliberate and other factual errors with the fact that you can't take him at his word, you aren't left with much. Projection. Transference. Or he says things and then denies he said them. Then folks waste time pointing out his errors, and he gets to insult them for telling the truth. ...or says that those things are MANUFACTURED out of whole cloth or that they are taken out of context. Yet we never get an explanation of the context. Keep at it and he'll toss in the Byte Brothers quote and other insults. ...or tell you to DROP IT! Or to go get....you know the rest. And after all that, he will complain about the 'filth' in a thread. Here's that link anc quote, again: http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " And he finally did - seven years later. Now he's finally a new radio amateur. A novice, beginner, tyro, tenderfoot, wet-behind-the-ears, just-out-of-the-box newbie to amateur radio. Yup. Go a little easy on Len. He needs quite a bit of Elmering, I think. Most neophytes do. Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Seven Years, Two Months Ago Today
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oups.com: On Mar 19, 9:13�pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote: On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: " wrote roups.com: Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen. Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP he did just as he said he would years ago I did NOT "do as I said years ago." LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " No, you most certainly did not. You made a boast over seven years back of going for an "Extra right out of the box". ? You did squat for those years. Dave, Haven't you figured out Len's game yet? It's really simple. He plants errors in his posts, then argues with and derides some of those who point them out. Well he *makes* a great many factual errors. *I didn't think they were all planted though. I didn't say they were *all* planted. But consider the one under discussion. Len wrote in January 2000 that he was going for Extra out of the box. No mention of waiting for the Morse Code test to be removed. Then he finally does it seven years and some days later. All easily verified facts. But then he says he did not do as he said he would do, years ago. Why would someone put such an obvious and easily-disproved error into a posting here? MANUFACTURED some life-enduring "promise" out of whole cloth, taking it well out of context at the time. See? There he goes! The context is crystal clear, yet he says the whole thing is "MANUFACTURED". It was not manufactured at all and was certainly not taken out of context. That you now find it embarrassing is the issue. Here's a link to that posting of Jan 19, 2000: http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv And the famous quote: LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " "an old friend" knows what Len meant. You know what Len meant. I know what Len meant. Anyone who understands plain English who reads that post knows what Len meant. I'm banking on that. *He bragged. *He fell. He finally did it, though. btw - more recently, Len boasted that he could pass the Extra with or without the Morse Code test. Since he waited until after the Morse Code test was eliminated, it proved to be an idle boast. It is something he'll never have the opportunity to find out. I'm sure a simulated test could be arranged. I did not seriously consider getting an amateur radio license until the 17th of February. Note that Len does not mention which year! No, he does not. I think he meant Feb 17 1999, soon after the Reply Comments to 98-143 closed. You know - the Reply Comments where he proposed a minimum age of 14 years for any class of Amateur Radio license. * *That's the truth regardless of how others twist around old statements of mine. See? It's all other people's fault. Even though Len wrote: LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " way back then. I find it difficult to accept your claim as factual. However, once IN, I plan to stay in...until I decide to get out (if I do). Everyone who becomes a radio amateur has a finite time in which to participate. Do you think Len has an HF amateur radio station of his own operational yet? Noooooo. If he ever does set up a station, do you think it will be a state-of-the-art experimental station, mostly homebrew? Noooooo. Or do you think it will be an assembly of off-the-shelf manufactured equipment? Assuredly. It's really simple: Len wants others to do as he says, not as he does. Once a REAL decision has been made, then one can work towards that goal with more attention. I could have told Len that back in 1970, when I got my Extra in the summer between 10th and 11th grade. I believe you could have. *Len just procrastinated for decades. *He couldn't overcome inertia. Nobody really knows. * *There is NO extra- special, genius (or genuous) level of knowledge required to pass those tests. Yup. Yet it took Len all those years to get his. Inertia. Maybe. I don't recall a single Morse-tested Extra class licensee ever saying that the Amateur Extra was a mark of genius. Not a one. So where does Len get his ideas? *Does he forget that *he* is the one who has stated such things? Actually, that's probably true. Have you forgotten the post where I explained the basics of the psychological terms "projection" and "transference"? Here's a handy link, for reference: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...g/71787776dd60 6ca9?dmode=source&hl=en or http://tinyurl.com/2jsrdb All it takes is some attention-focused work. How about that! Even with all of Len's PROFESSIONAL experience, it took *work* for him to pass the Extra. But what has Len said of "work" in the past? Refresh my memory. I didn't think it was work at all, back in 1970. Nor now. You wouldn't think it would be much work for a PROFESSIONAL. I do recall Len complaining that learning Morse Code was hard work for him. He claimed to have reached 7 or 8 wpm way back when. Many told you so. You usually dismissed them. You were told the same about learning Morse code. Consider Len's game, Dave. He says he will do things, then doesn't do them. Like the way he said he would leave rrap when the Morse Code test was eliminated. Element 1 went away, but Len didn't. If you couple his deliberate and other factual errors with the fact that you can't take him at his word, you aren't left with much. Projection. Transference. Or he says things and then denies he said them. Then folks waste time pointing out his errors, and he gets to insult them for telling the truth. ...or says that those things are MANUFACTURED out of whole cloth or that they are taken out of context. Yet we never get an explanation of the context. Keep at it and he'll toss in the Byte Brothers quote and other insults. ...or tell you to DROP IT! Or to go get....you know the rest. And after all that, he will complain about the 'filth' in a thread. Here's that link anc quote, again: http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " And he finally did - seven years later. Now he's finally a new radio amateur. A novice, beginner, tyro, tenderfoot, wet-behind-the-ears, just-out-of-the-box newbie to amateur radio. Yup. Go a little easy on Len. He needs quite a bit of Elmering, I think. Most neophytes do. Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'. 73 de Jim, N2EY A nipper is a child - on air we call them 'harmonics'. Oddly enough, we refer to both spurii and children as 'sprogs' also. 73 de Alun, N3KIP, G8VUK |
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The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Mar 27, 5:28?am, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
wrote groups.com: On Mar 19, 9:13?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote: On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: " wrote roups.com: Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen. Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP he did just as he said he would years ago I did NOT "do as I said years ago." Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'. A nipper is a child - on air we call them 'harmonics'. Oddly enough, we refer to both spurii and children as 'sprogs' also. 73 de Alun, N3KIP, G8VUK Alun, for an obvious Anglophile Miccolis doesn't know much. Tsk, you had best "Elmer" him in such things. Or perhaps have him watch PBS-TV on a 48-hour marathon of BBS telly shows from the 1970s. One of the problems that created the total spam in this newsgroup is the "newsgroup bloggers" such as Miccolis, vainly trying to find an outlet for his unrepentant evangelism for morse code mode...and trying to pretend he is one of the olde-tymers in hamme raddio. I don't pretend to be one of those "auld hammes" but I've been IN and ON radio since early 1953...in many radio services, including being a third-party guest of several licensed amateurs during live contacts. Miccolis' spite is so long-lasting and ever-present that he feels compelled to continue his denigrations. No matter. After the first weeks of that years ago, he is no more than the usual computer-modem communicator whose ego has been deflated and thus tries to "get back" at his imaginary "enemies." --- On February 23rd of 2007 there was a sedate "revolution" in U.S. amateur radio and the elimination of the code test from all license class examinations. That obviously HURT many of the egos of the olde-tymers who now prided themselves (inordinately) on their mastership of morse and, more importantly, being "better than average amateurs" for having gained the amateur extra class license. They loved the status, the rank, the privileges, the prestige and were not above shoving it on all "lesser" beings in the hobby. That was morally wrong but one cannot say that to these mighty macho morsemen without repercussions for at least a decade's worth of spite on their part. The "revolution" happened but few took part. At most the changes taking place were a lot of class upgrades in the USA. There was NO ground-swell of "no-coders" and "CB-types" suddenly filling the HF bands with "bad behavior." [the bad behavior was already there and alive from the already-tested-in-morse-code licensees] The "revolution" had already begun in 1991 with the creation of the no-code-test Technician Class. That single category is the ONLY class responsible for keeping the total number of USA amateur licensees from falling drastically in numbers. Let's face it, the "actuarial tables" WILL have their way with ALL human endeavors, no exceptions. USA amateur radio was growing in age all along but its greying members were busy, busy denying it while trying to forget about their own mortality, hearkening back to a time when they were young and the world (to them) was new. Those olde-tymers were too busy making themselves feel "important" to notice that CHANGES were happening in the hobby. Such denial is one of the first signs of decay in any human endeavor...but they denied that, mightily. I didn't really consider getting an amateur radio license until February 17th of this year. I'd had (and still do) a commercial license since March 1956. But, it would be, I thought, a FUN hobby in my retirement years. I don't need the experience to "further my career" (I've had one, reasonably successfully) or "give back" anything to anybody. I was not interested in "emergency work" or volunteerism in radio...I am a volunteer in other things. Neither am I interested in advancing the state of the radio art just for the sake of saying I am advancing the state of the radio art. Theory and construction are simply part of the fun, of being able to legally try out some experiments which are fun to do in themselves. Hobbies are about personal enjoyment for its own sake...although many pervert their own desires to "be someone" by taking up certain hobbies in order to brag about it. Was the license exam "hard?" No. On the most objective comparison, it would be on the order of college-level quarter tests in first or second year of formal study...some memorization of regulations and new terms and procedures specifically about amateur radio practice. To anyone who has been IN radio (of almost any kind) for a decade, it was not difficult. Test element 4 question pool contains about 16 times the minimum specified number of 10 (as regulated by the FCC) questions and the "hard" part could be said to be in trying to spot the distractors in phrasing/syntax obviously put there by the VEC QPC. The "hard" part might be the waiting between elements while a group of 20 goes through its required tests and grading, most of whom were applicants for Technician and General class licenses in my exam group. By observation I was the only one going "extra out of the box"...and apparently the only one in the experience of that ARRL VEC test team to have done so...at least recently. Did that test experience and license grant "make me better?" Not really. What I knew I already knew about radio in general, from theoretical to original design to operating. The only thing unique in USA amateur radio is the regulations and the on-air procedure. Otherwise it is no "better" than any other radio service...who all have their own specific regulations and procedure and jargon. I enjoy some minor prestige in the sequential call assignment for "newbies" who have achieved amateur extra. It yields a lot of freedom in operating the bands below 23 cm..no real restrictions based on Class of license. It gains some attention from dealers of amateur radio equipment, some good and some bad considering I ask pointed questions about certain products and have always been a "hard sell" for salesmen. :-) It should be a lot of FUN. Except in this (and similar) newsgroups where the emphasis seems to be on general in-fighting of the "establishment" versus (or is that 'verses' waxing poetic?) those seeking change. I have the advantage of knowing other amateurs from past acquaintenceship and work experience and already have made "contacts" with some of those. No "elmering" needed among friends. Real friends, not the false labels of those pretending to be "friends." In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a war but nobody showed up." :-) Wouldn't it be nice if all wars were like that? 73, Len AF6AY |
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The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Mar 27, 2:44 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a war but nobody showed up." :-) Wouldn't it be nice if all wars were like that? 73, Len AF6AY They gave a war back in the day... Miccolis didn't show up then, either. |
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The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Mar 27, 5:19�pm, wrote:
On Mar 27, 2:44 pm, "AF6AY" wrote: * *In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a war * *but nobody showed up." *:-) * Wouldn't it be nice if all wars * *were like that? They gave a war back in the day... *Miccolis didn't show up then, either. True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. Sigh...and isn't reticent about chiding volunteer military veterans. :-( 73, Len AF6AY |
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*What* Revolution?
On Mar 27, 12:44�pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:28?am, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: wrote groups.com: On Mar 19, 9:13?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote: On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: " wrote roups.com: Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen. Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP he did just as he said he would years ago I did NOT "do as I said years ago." Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'. A nipper is a child - on air we call them 'harmonics'. Oddly enough, we refer to both spurii and children as 'sprogs' also. 73 de Alun, N3KIP, G8VUK * *Alun, for an obvious Anglophile doesn't know much. * "Nipper" is quite accurate in your case, Len. Your behavior here is often that of an overtired, spoiled chiled ;-) * *One of the problems that created the total spam in this newsgroup * *is the "newsgroup bloggers" such as vainly trying to find * *an outlet for his unrepentant evangelism for morse code mode...and * *trying to pretend he is one of the olde-tymers in hamme raddio. Len, you told us back on September 22, 2006 that when the Morse Code test was eliminated you would leave this newsgroup. But here you are, griping and snipling and complaining because someone dares to disagree with you. So typical. * *I don't pretend to be one of those "auld hammes" but I've been IN * *and ON radio since early 1953...in many radio services, including * *being a third-party guest of several licensed amateurs during * *live contacts. So what? Anyone can observe. Anyone can say a few words into the microphone as a guest. spite is so long-lasting and ever-present * *that he feels compelled to continue his denigrations. What denigrations, Len? Do I call you by your last name or insulting diminutive nicknames? *No matter. * *After the first weeks of that years ago, he is no more than the * *usual computer-modem communicator whose ego has been * *deflated and thus tries to "get back" at his imaginary "enemies." There you are, Len, projecting your own behavior and motivations onto others. Says it all, really. * *--- * *On February 23rd of 2007 there was a sedate "revolution" in U.S. * *amateur radio and the elimination of the code test from all license * *class examinations. * A revolution? Hardly. In 1990, it became possible to get a US amateur license of any license class with only a 5 wpm Morse Code test and a medical waiver. The waiver required only a simple doctor's note. On Feb 14 1991, the Technician class license lost its Morse Code test. On April 15, 2000, all Morse Code testing except 5 wpm was eliminated in the USA. That obviously HURT many of the egos of * *the olde-tymers who now prided themselves (inordinately) on their * *mastership of morse and, more importantly, being "better than * *average amateurs" for having gained the amateur extra class * *license. *They loved the status, the rank, the privileges, the * *prestige and were not above shoving it on all "lesser" beings in * *the hobby. * You're projecting again, Len. That was morally wrong but one cannot say that to * *these mighty macho morsemen without repercussions for at * *least a decade's worth of spite on their part. What was morally wrong, Len? Accomplishing something that you had not? Is it wrong to be proud of an accomplishment? * *The "revolution" happened but few took part. *At most the changes * *taking place were a lot of class upgrades in the USA. *There was * *NO ground-swell of "no-coders" and "CB-types" suddenly filling the * *HF bands with "bad behavior." *[the bad behavior was already there * *and alive from the already-tested-in-morse-code licensees] Really? Was ex-KG6IRO Morse Code tested? You are right about one thing, Len: Almost nobody came. We were told many times that the Morse Code testing was stifling "growth". That many "otherwise qualified people" were being kept out of amateur radio by the "barrier" of even a 5 wpm Morse Code test. We were told that a bright and shining New Era would dawn when it went away. Yet the number of US hams as of March 27 2007 is *less* than it was on Feb 22. 2007. Perhaps that's just a daily anomaly. We shall see. But it's clear there's no flood of new people at all. So much for the "barrier". * *The "revolution" had already begun in 1991 with the creation of * *the no-code-test Technician Class. *That single category is the * *ONLY class responsible for keeping the total number of USA * *amateur licensees from falling drastically in numbers. * You've made that same, tired old mistake for years, Len. It's just wrong. Let's face * *it, the "actuarial tables" WILL have their way with ALL human * *endeavors, no exceptions. So what? *USA amateur radio was growing in * *age all along but its greying members were busy, busy denying * *it while trying to forget about their own mortality, hearkening back * *to a time when they were young and the world (to them) was new. Yet it was *you* who proposed *banning* anyone under the age of 14 from amateur radio in the USA. The US population has been getting older. Median age in 2000, as measured by the census, was over 39 years - up by more than four years since 1990. Americans are living longer, having fewer children, and having them later in life. * *Those olde-tymers were too busy making themselves feel * *"important" to notice that CHANGES were happening in the * *hobby. *Such denial is one of the first signs of decay in any * *human endeavor...but they denied that, mightily. Who denied changes, Len? Not me. Some changes are good, others aren't. You resisted changes to the zoning in your neighborhood. You didn't want it to CHANGE from the way it was when you bought your house there. Let the others go someplace else - *you* wouldn't accept that change! It happened anyway. * *I didn't really consider getting an amateur radio license until * *February 17th of this year. Your own words prove that to be completely false, Len. For example, back on January 19, 2000, you wrote: "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." " (handy link to the post) http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv That was soon after the dropping of all but the 5 wpm code test. You have called it a "throwaway line" and "taken out of context" but never said what that's supposed to mean. Anyone who bothers to click on the link and read what you wrote can see what you clearly intended. KB9RQZ remembers it clearly - is he wrong? Is everyone else who read your "out of the box" boast also wrong? Or were you just lying to us then? But that's not the only example Back on July 15, 2005, you wrote these words in one of your long insulting diatribes: "Tried to learn morse for 13 WPM back in the early 60s, reached about 8 WPM, and GAVE UP. " (handy link) http://tinyurl.com/25opue Anyone who bothers to click on the link and read what you wrote can see what you clearly intended. You were trying to reach 13 wpm so you could get a General or Conditional class US Amateur Radio license. Or were you lying about 8 WPM? Back then, some classes of US license only required 5 wpm Morse Code. But a "Novice" or "Technician" weren't good enough for you then. Or now. *I'd had (and still do) a commercial * *license since March 1956. But not an amateur license. Not a license that would permit you to have your own amateur station, nor a license that would permit you to operate another's amateur station. But, it would be, I thought, a FUN * *hobby in my retirement years. * It's been fun for me these past 40 years. No need to wait for retirement at all. I don't need the experience to * *"further my career" (I've had one, reasonably successfully) or * *"give back" anything to anybody. All besides the point. The truth is that you did consider getting an amateur license long before Feb 17 2007. Otherwise, why were you trying to learn 13 wpm in the 1960s? Why did you make your "out of the box" claim in 2000? *I was not interested in * *"emergency work" or volunteerism in radio...I am a volunteer * *in other things. OK, fine. Nobody says you have to volunteer. The truth is that some amateurs do volunteer and do provide emergency and public service communications. You may deny that fact, but it's still true. *Neither am I interested in advancing the state * *of the radio art just for the sake of saying I am advancing the * *state of the radio art. IOW, you're not going to build anything despite all your running down of other's accomplishments. *Theory and construction are simply part * *of the fun, of being able to legally try out some experiments * *which are fun to do in themselves. Sounds like you're rationalizing being an 'appliance operator', Len. *Hobbies are about personal * *enjoyment for its own sake...although many pervert their own * *desires to "be someone" by taking up certain hobbies in order * *to brag about it. Gee....who does the most bragging here....why, that would be *you*, Len! * *Was the license exam "hard?" *No. *On the most objective * *comparison, it would be on the order of college-level quarter * *tests in first or second year of formal study...some memorization * *of regulations and new terms and procedures specifically about * *amateur radio practice. *To anyone who has been IN radio (of * *almost any kind) for a decade, it was not difficult. *Test element * *4 question pool contains about 16 times the minimum specified * *number of 10 (as regulated by the FCC) questions and the * *"hard" part could be said to be in trying to spot the distractors * *in phrasing/syntax obviously put there by the VEC QPC. *The * *"hard" part might be the waiting between elements while a * *group of 20 goes through its required tests and grading, most * *of whom were applicants for Technician and General class * *licenses in my exam group. *By observation I was the only * *one going "extra out of the box"...and apparently the only one * *in the experience of that ARRL VEC test team to have done * *so...at least recently. So? * *Did that test experience and license grant "make me better?" * *Not really. *What I knew I already knew about radio in general, * *from theoretical to original design to operating. *The only thing * *unique in USA amateur radio is the regulations and the on-air * *procedure. *Otherwise it is no "better" than any other radio * *service...who all have their own specific regulations and * *procedure and jargon. So? * *I enjoy some minor prestige in the sequential call assignment * *for "newbies" who have achieved amateur extra. *It yields a lot * *of freedom in operating the bands below 23 cm..no real * *restrictions based on Class of license. *It gains some attention * *from dealers of amateur radio equipment, some good and some * *bad considering I ask pointed questions about certain products * *and have always been a "hard sell" for salesmen. *:-) It's not like your actually going to build any radios, Len. * *It should be a lot of FUN. It *is*, Len. It's been FUN for me for 40 years - so far. It's interesting that you say "it should be a lot of FUN" - speaking of the future. Do you have your Amateur Radio station set up yet? Made any interesting contacts yet? *Except in this (and similar) newsgroups * *where the emphasis seems to be on general in-fighting of the * *"establishment" versus (or is that 'verses' waxing poetic?) those * *seeking change. Kinda like people not wanting the zoning in their neighborhood to change, ever? Not wanting "APARTMENTS" anywhere near them, even though said "APARTMENTS" were actually in-law suites? Not wanting a 15 acre piece of *private* land to be developed because doing so might 'ruin their view'? *I have the advantage of knowing other amateurs * *from past acquaintenceship and work experience and already * *have made "contacts" with some of those. Using Amateur Radio? *No "elmering" needed * *among friends. Ah yes, Len already knows it all. *Real friends, not the false labels of those pretending * *to be "friends." In other words, you've had the license a month but haven't done anything with it. That's OK...you don't have to do a thing except follow the rules. * *In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a war*but nobody showed up." *:-) * Yep. All those folks who were going to be hams and bring the New Era... Wouldn't it be nice if all wars * *were like that? Sure would be. Some of us were saying that 40+ years ago, too. Jim, N2EY |
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