On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?
* *His USAF MOS (Military
* *Occupation Specialty). *Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. *I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". *It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? *"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it. They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift
for us, either.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!
Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!
Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

Yawn.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.
True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.
No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:
Subject: What Revolution?
� �His USAF MOS (Military
� �Occupation Specialty). �Was it ever mentioned by him?
It can't have been mentioned by me. �I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". �It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.
Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? �"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

That's good advice, Len. :-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

There's no cloud. I've told you straight out: You aren't getting the
information from me.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

I'm not arguing the issue with you, Len. I'm not providing you the
information. It is available elsewhere on the web. Check it out or don't.

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did.

I had one unit in Basic Training. I had another during a two-year U.S.
assignment. I had a third in Vietnam. My fourth unit was a U.S. tour
after Vietnam. I recall them all. I recall where I was. I recall what
I did. What I haven't done is share the information with you. Now what?

I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

I have not elevated myself as doing more than I actually did. I haven't
told you what I did.

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important.

If they are mythical bootstraps, that can't be a very effective technique.

Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

As an alternative, they've seen your insulting behavior toward others
and have decided that they have no need to fuel you.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it.

You never get the big picture, Len. I've seen what I did in the
military. You haven't seen it. *That* is the way I want it.

They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are.

Let's test that theory. I've told you relatively nothing about what I
did in Vietnam. According to you, I'd have to be peddling a different
story about my duties in Vietnam in order to elevate myself. That
didn't happen. I haven't told you anything.

All that smoke is bad for them...

There's been no smoke--and there's been no information.

...and not too swift
for us, either.

You don't appear to be very swift.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!

That's how you work it. You know that I was in the Air Force in
Vietnam. That's all the information you have to work with. Generate
all the "wow's" you like.

Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!

....not in Vietnam, Len. That only took place in West Africa.

Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

That's correct--not at any time in the military. I wrote "low power,
tinker toy radios."

Yawn.

Take a nap if the puzzle has you fatigued.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.

I've already told you that I was in the country where the war was going
on. It wasn't like being in Japan during the Korean War with artillery
barrages and threats from yet-to-be-developed Soviet bombers.

True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.
No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

That's nice, Len. It wasn't much different than Japan for you then. :-)

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

That's fantastic!

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

....and I have no doubt that when someone describes an object as "Mickey
Mouse", you're busy looking for Mr. Disney.

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

That's a relief, Len. I was concerned for your towers and antennas.
What size tower have you installed at the Los Angeles home? Have you
put up a sizable yagi or are you a cubical quad man?

The tower which failed here was made out your way. It didn't meet its
published specs. The winds which rake this exposed hilltop are likely
higher than those encountered in a place like yours, a low spot
surrounded by hills.

I have another tower and yagi ready to be installed later this month. It
won't be a California-made, crank up model. It'll be another Rohn 25
with guys at two levels. My seventy-footer of the same tower has
withstood all storms encountered here, even with a 40m beam and other
antennas mounted on it. If you're worried about high winds, perhaps
Roger Wiseman can recommend a wire multiband antenna with great
performance, even when mounted relatively low to the ground. It might
even be a better antenna for earthquake country.

Dave K8MN

On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?
? ?His USAF MOS (Military
? ?Occupation Specialty). ?Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. ?I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". ?It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? ?"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap*
remark. My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made
a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond.

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Yup.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

Yup.

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor?

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it. They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift
for us, either.

Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!
Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!
Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

Yawn.

I'm so proud of him.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.
True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.

Dominican Republic, Grenada, Somalia, Haiti, Panama...

No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

What? About two years after Churchill begged them? I'm so proud.

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly).

NASA engineers came to us... remote sensing.

Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

I'd love to watch a shuttle launch.

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form.

There are some kid electronics kits that are "LEGO" like. Expensive,
but modular. Looks cool.

Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

Dejavu all over again!

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

73, Len AF6AY

Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have
come down with his tower.

On Apr 12, 1:59�pm, wrote:
On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap*
remark. *My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made
a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond.

Typical. :-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. *He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there. WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything (WE don't have to be
supplied with detailed answers?).

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.


Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

Yup.

He's still true to form in that department. :-)


I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. *I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor?

A Robeson clone in action! :-)

Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere.

His is old, worn-out obsolete smoke. koff koff

I'd love to watch a shuttle launch.

So would I! One SSME on a test stand is impressive
enough...three plus the SRBs lighting off would be no
less than spectacular!


Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have
come down with his tower

Most regretable for him...snif, snif...

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59�pm, wrote:

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. �He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.

You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...

Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).

That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.

If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. ?He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.

You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...

Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).

That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.

If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service? You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..") his
queries are pointless babble.
You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.

Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. ?He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.
So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.
You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...
Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).
That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?

Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. It says:

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."

--N2EY

Len likes to refer to the profile as character assassination. The
problem with that is that he can be shown to have done all of these
things over and over and over. For it to be character assassination, it
would have to be shown that Len has not engaged in such behavior.

You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..") his
queries are pointless babble.

I think you've summed it up in a nutshell.

You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.


Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
.net...
Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. ?He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.
So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.
You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...
Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).
That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?

Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. It says:

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."

--N2EY

Len likes to refer to the profile as character assassination. The
problem with that is that he can be shown to have done all of these
things over and over and over. For it to be character assassination, it
would have to be shown that Len has not engaged in such behavior.

You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some
kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..")
his
queries are pointless babble.

I think you've summed it up in a nutshell.

You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic,
as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity?
Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.


Dave K8MN

Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any
further credibility to Len by discussing this.
I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in
playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself
especially. He should be left ignored. Len is apparently self-absorbed and,
as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered.
Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy
posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need
him.
I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are
bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the
Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums
it up.

73