Mike Coslo wrote in
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D. Stussy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Mike Coslo wrote:

Reading a report on how long it will likely take for the U.S. to
ratify
and drop Morse requirements, we are given an estimate of two years.

This leads me to wonder, is it better to wait for those two years
to go
by before getting ones HF ticket, or is it better to just learn Morse
and get the ticket much sooner?


If you pass the code test and get it now, then you won't have to face
the wrath of the idiots on this group complaining about your
"inferior" license giving you equal authority to operate as theirs.
:-)

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do something
I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.


- Mike KB3EIA



I don't know where that estimate came from. It isn't likely to take more
than a year.

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do something
I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks' effort
if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole years to
get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot of wannabe
hams out there will probably do just that! It's their funeral -- they don't
know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
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In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT



Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't know
how long the wait will be.

"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
:

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT



Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't know
how long the wait will be.


To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT


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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
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In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too
long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT



Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just
long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't
know
how long the wait will be.


To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough
to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and
the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded
privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT

You repeatedly misconstrue what people are saying. None of us ridicules or
besmirches the person who does not upgrade because they have no interest in
the privileges of the higher class. They have achieved their personal goals
regarding ham radio and found their niche. What we oppose is the person
that wants the privileges of the higher class but refuses to do the work to
get them. I know some people that want to be a general but not only have
they been waiting for years for the elimination of the code test but have
refuses to even try.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
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In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what
say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too
long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the
ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a
lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT



Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just
long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't
know
how long the wait will be.


To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough
to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and
the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded
privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT

You repeatedly misconstrue what people are saying. None of us ridicules
or
besmirches the person who does not upgrade because they have no interest
in
the privileges of the higher class. They have achieved their personal
goals
regarding ham radio and found their niche. What we oppose is the person
that wants the privileges of the higher class but refuses to do the work
to
get them. I know some people that want to be a general but not only have
they been waiting for years for the elimination of the code test but have
refuses to even try.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, I don't think I am miscontrueing a thing. It baffles me to no end that
it would actually bother someone to have another wait for their opportunity
to come along. I see nothing at all wrong with someone waiting until
testing requirements meet *their* expectations.

Kim W5TIT


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Dee, I don't think I am miscontrueing a thing. It baffles me to no end
that
it would actually bother someone to have another wait for their
opportunity
to come along. I see nothing at all wrong with someone waiting until
testing requirements meet *their* expectations.

Kim W5TIT

Even if it is waiting 10 years or better??

I like to see people succeed. Those who wait do not succeed because they do
not take control over and responsibility for their own lives. It is
heartbreakingly sad to see people electing to be failures because they are
waiting for someone to give them something.

If you wait for opportunity to knock, it never will.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Dee, I don't think I am miscontrueing a thing. It baffles me to no end that
it would actually bother someone to have another wait for their opportunity
to come along. I see nothing at all wrong with someone waiting until
testing requirements meet *their* expectations.

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

Hey, I'd like a Ph. D in Electrical Engineering. How long do you think
I'll have to wait for the testing requirements to be reduced to a 50-question
multiple guess with a passing score of 70%, with an open question
pool and no dissertation required? Since I'll never actually do any
electrical engineering, those are my expectations of what the testing
requirements should be. So, whaddya say -- 5 years? More? Less?

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

It baffles me to no end that
it would actually bother someone to have another wait for their opportunity
to come along. I see nothing at all wrong with someone waiting until
testing requirements meet *their* expectations.

It's kinda like saying "I'm not going to buy a (new computer, digital camera,
PDA, flatscreen TV/monitor, MP3 player, etc., etc.) until the price drops below
X dollars", isn't it?

In fact, might not part of the driving force behind a "wait and see" policy?
One of the best ways to kill a sale of items like the ones above is to say
"there's a new model coming out soon that will do more and cost less".

True story: Close friend of mine needed a PDA for work. Everybody at her
workplace uses iPaqs, so she goes to the local computer store and gets one at a
discount. It's the demo model, last one in the store. Takes it home, installs
hardware and software, struggles with it, dern thing won't sync with her PC no
matter what she does. Takes it back, store tech says it's a defective cradle
and she gets a full refund.

Two weeks later goes back to the same store and gets a brand new iPaq, no
discount, with more features, longer life battery, yada yada - for less money.
Works perfectly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article m, "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
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In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT

Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't know
how long the wait will be.

To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT

You repeatedly misconstrue what people are saying. None of us ridicules or
besmirches the person who does not upgrade because they have no interest in
the privileges of the higher class.

Well, us bourgeoises and "lower class" minded people will just have to sit
in
the back of the bus and drink from different water fountains, won't we? :-)

Did the Almighty make all the Royal-Noble Radio Regulations (hardly
different now than from the pre-WW2 era) or did ordinary humans make
those regulations then? Since when do those LAWS remain fixed,
forever engraved in unchageable stone and protected by the armor of
"tradition?" Laws were made by humans and laws can be UNMADE by
humans.

There's been a movement to change those magnificent code laws for some
time and it has ended on the international side.

I know this is a terrible shock, perhaps trauma to the "higher class" elite,
but S25.5 AS-YOU-KNOW-IT went bye-bye. Try to accept reality with some
good grace. It is difficult, I realize, but it must be done.

They have achieved their personal goals
regarding ham radio and found their niche.

In my case, I've not found any good reason to join a SERVICE of pretend-
quasi-military radio operators by having to relearn morse code.

What we oppose is the person
that wants the privileges of the higher class but refuses to do the work to
get them.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, the Elite "higher-class" talking again!

Hmmm...I got on HF legally and militarily some 50 years ago, transmitting
on HF from any one of 43 transmitters. Did that for two years without any
formal schooling in the military HF communications whatsoever. I guess
that made me "lazy" in your view, didn't it? Since ADA didn't use any
morse code through those 43 transmitters, it was "lower-class" stuff, right?

Will you agree that "radio" was used? I don't think so. From your tone,
I'd say that you think AMATEUR radio works by different principles than
commercial or government radio...therefore such military radio "isn't as
good" as ham equipment...

I know some people that want to be a general but not only have
they been waiting for years for the elimination of the code test but have
refuses to even try.

Well, you upper-class uppercrust make sure all those signs are up in
bus, the ones directing the lower-class to the uncomfortable back.

That gives you (and so many others) the ILLUSION that you are "superior"
and "more advanced" and all that self-promotional stuff. Have fun in your
imaginary nirvana. Realignment and reality are just around the corner.

LHA