In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Brian wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
digy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then
report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big
they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.

If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Who said they were too high?

They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of
profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the
excess.

Sounds like one of Len's typical conspiracy/dishonesty rants aimed
toward the ARRL.

Quit trying to sound like a Ba'athist amateur, Klunk.

There certainly weren't many of them, kindly old gent. Still, YI1BGD
contacts weren't that hard to come by. Rarer still would be a QSL
confirming a contact with you on the ham bands.

Rarer still would be the Great Amateur Heil getting above 70 cm.

So, your only "interest" in radio is contacting "rare ones?"

Home Depot and Lowes have fine selections of tasteful wallpaper
if you need some. Better than QSL cards for the esthetic senses
of non-radio guests. [you DO have guests, don't you? or are all
your social contacts of the ham variety?]

The League (of Notions) MAKES MONEY on the publication side
of their conglomerate of control.

Ads in QST pay for everything in the QST staff and the cost of job
printing and fulfillment (publication talk for mailing/distributing).

The "non-profit" stuff and nonsense is for lowering their taxes.

No kidding? Thanks for clearing this up for those of us who've only
been members for three or four decades, Len. You're pretty up to date
for a non-member, non-radio amateur.

SOMEONE had to clue you in, ignorant one.

You've been so busy worshipping at the Church of St. Hiram you
never knew about the BUSINESS side of the League?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You need copies of their IRS forms from 2002 and previous years?
Those are on the Internet.

Thanks, but I have no need of them.

You are AFRAID to look, aren't you? :-)

You might find out some truth.

You can't handle the truth.

I interviewed for a League position years back. The
salary offered wasn't enough to cover a move and life in the greater
Hartford area.

Translation: You were rejected. (boo hoo for you)

You've mistranslated. What part of "the salary offered" wasn't clear to
you? Are you playing loose with the facts again?

What was the AMOUNT of the salary offering? You never gave any
"facts," only some CLAIM that "you interviewed."

YOUR facts are simply salesmanship doubletalk on "facts." You've
not given any supportable facts. None.

While I'm sure that salaries are now better, I don't
think any League staffers are putting up gold-plated Rohn tower and 80m
yagis at their palatial estates.

Rohn filed for bankruptcy on account of that?

No, I think they waited for decades for your business and it dawned on
someone at the plant that it just wasn't going to come about.

I've never gone to Rohn for any towers are antennas. Three other
commercial firms, Andrew being the oldest (and still solvent).

Why the sudden misdirection into FALSE CLAIMS about some
company "waiting for my business?"

You can see the top five staffers' salaries given on their 2002 IRS
forms.

And?

It would give you a baseline for MORE creative lying in here about
"interviewing with the ARRL." :-)

It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is.

*Guffaw!*. Her ignorance? I see some gaping holes in your own
database.

Nooo, Klunk, "non-profit" is a status to claim for paying LESS
taxes.

Really? Can I see a show of hands for those here who weren't aware of
that?

Why? Can't you think for yourself anymore? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

If you are foolish enough to believe that W1AW's station, the
"museum" and all the other paraphenalia came out of dues, you've
got a database gap large enough to sail the USS Enterprise through.

I've made no such statement. I know how a non-profit organization
operates. I know how the ARRL operates. Sadly, I know how you operate.

I'm not a licensed MD. :-)

With all the dissatisfaction you've expressed, why not start your own
organization for like-minded hams? I'm sure you'd amass a following in
no time.

Three-fourths of all licensed U.S. radio amateurs are NOT members.

One fourth, a sizeable number, ARE members.

That's still a *MINORITY*.

Hello? Are you rational yet?

There are also Associate
Members who are not licensees.

NON-VOTING. They can't "decide" a damn thing in League things.

You aren't a Full Member nor are you an Associate Member.

So, everyone is not allowed to comment on anything if they
are not a "member?"

The League is a POLITICAL ENTITY. They lobby.

The League is OPEN FOR COMMENTARY BY EVERYONE,
senior.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution allows
EVERY CITIZEN to comment.

Except in your amateur universe...


That should be evidenciary. To all but the minority who are members.

So, to see if we have your latest yarn straight, ARRL members aren't
aware that there are others who are not members?

Bad attempt at editing and word cut-and-pasting, senior.

TAKE THINGS IN CONTEXT.

Members "KNOW what is good for all the others" and therefore they
are the elite.

Other than you, who issues such statements? What is any of this to you
as an outsider to amateur radio and the ARRL?

Does such statements upset you?

See a real MD...or psychiatric specialist.

You need one.

The League (of Notions) still holds on vainly to the idea that morse
code is still the ultimate of amateur skills...long after the rest of the
radio world has given it up, discarded it for communications.

Maybe you can point us to some place on the ARRL web site where such a
statement is made.

Maybe you can go to another Scientology office and get "clear" so
that you can see years and years and years of propagandizing of
and for morsemanship.

I doubt you can. It is obvious to the rest of clear-thinking
radio-interested
folks.


Continue to be the acidic spam-bot for the League (of Notions), old
Klunk. You have taken a Ba'ath...but are yet unclean.

Sounds like the bilious rantings of some geezer who is on the outside of
amateur radio, looking in.

Poor baby, still don't understand, do you?

I've never been "outside radio" for a half century.

You don't play fast and loose with facts. You just don't understand
real facts.

Not my problem.

Go get "clear."

LHA

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

If you've been paying attention, I was offered a job with the ARRL. I
turned it down. Are you playing loose with facts again?

What "facts" Ripley? You made a CLAIM. An UNSUPPORTED
CLAIM.

Get someone to vouch for your "job interview," someone in the
League who was there at the time.

I'll be generous and accept State Department notification (if on
official letterhead stationery). :-)

Or, knowing State, on their official stationary...

No wonder you are so bitter.

I think you must have me mixed up with you. I'm a radio amateur. You
are a bystander.

Nope. I've been IN RADIO longer than you have, done more in radio
and electronics than you have. I'm a PROFESSIONAL.

Been a professional in radio longer than you have, too. :-)

Now, did you have some comment on morse code test retention and
"how that so terribly affects your ability to perform as an amateur?"

I'm sure that anyone daring to express the thought that the morse test
should be eliminated gives you the terrible shivers as an amateur.

We can't have Kolonel Klunk getting emotionally upset, can we?

LHA

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

I think Dee's demands are extreme.

You are expecting changes out of all proportion to the effort that you are
putting into it and you think my opinions are extreme??

Extremist to the point of acting like an evangelical believer in the
nobility, glory, and efficacy of the League. [they are without
reproach]

Is that enough for you, Dee?

LHA

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Groups trimmed....
One of the greatest rules of parliamentary procedure, and a real
cornerstone of representative democracy in gneral is that even though
the majority rules, the minority is allowed to have it's say.

I think waaaaaayyyy too many people these days seem to have forgotten
that. The minority must have it's say.

Dee, I think you are taking a wrong tack on this one. Brian needs his
say, and should not be forced to be a person at a high level of power in
an institution to have his opinion.

Not everyone wants to be active or even *can* be active in an
organization. There are only so many leadership positions.

Mike, I agree with what you have said. Everyone should be free to voice
their opinion.

[except in amateur radio matters... :-) ]


But what we cannot forget that to get a change, someone has got to buckle
down and do the work.

Fine. For my part, feel free to search the ECFS at the FCC for my
name on 16 different NPRMs and NOIs.

I agree with what you said.

The Internet has finally allowed real and true democratic action of the
citizenry of the USA.

That should fall upon the person or persons who want
the change to either do the work themselves or to convince someone to lead
this effort for them.

Or...what usually happens is that Big Brother in Newington is selected
to do the job so as not to bother all the amateurs too busy playing on
their radios.

Whining and complaining doesn't get the job done.

Neither does your parental-stance netiquete-nazi commentary. :-)

Brian seems to think that his opinion as expressed in a couple of letters to
the ARRL should have caused them to adopt the policies that he likes.
That's totally unrealistic. If he's not willing to do the work, then he has
no business slamming the ARRL.

The League of Notions is beyond reproach, isn't it? :-)

Thou Shalt Not Fault The League!!! Ever... :-)

LHA

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

The FCC spoke. And what they spoke was not ARRL majority opinion.

What do you make of that, Dee?

Very simple. The ARRL only has the power to lobby. They cannot force the
FCC to go along with the ARRL opinion.

Then what is the worth of being a League Believer?

LHA

In article , JJ
writes:

I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

Why? Can't or to lazy to learn the code?

I can, I did learn morse. I don't see the need of it after being in
radio communications for 50 1/2 years.

Is that the only way you will
ever be able to get a ham license?

An AMATEUR license is not one of my life priorities. I've had a
COMMERCIAL license for 47 1/2 years.

I guess if they remove the code
requirement you will campaign to get the written eleminated also so you
won't have to do anything for a license.

No. You are starting to show evidence of high irritation, anonymous
one.

Why is it imperative to have a license, especially an AMATEUR
license? I took my FCC office test way back in March, 1956. I'd
already been communicating in the HF Big Leagues for three years.
Later on, I've communicated on LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, and
microwaves without needing any amateur radio certificate. Never
ever needed to use or understand morse code for any of that.
Nobody involved in all that communicating complained about
lack of morsemanship.

I haven't belonged to the ARRL
in many years, but you have convinced me I need to join, thanks to you
the ARRL will get a new member.

Go for it. They need warm bodies rather desperately. The League
has yet to get membership from a majority of licensed U.S. radio
amateurs.

Hurry on getting your membership...wonder upon wonders, they are
defraying shipping charges on items puchased from Newington right
now! [of course, you pay the same price in a ham store for ARRL
merchandise and there's no shipping charges to pay...]

LHA
Leonard H. Anderson

sideband wrote:

I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

I like it!!

- mike KB3EIA -

sideband wrote:
I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

Yum Yum, I like it.

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , JJ
writes:


I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

Why? Can't or to lazy to learn the code?


I can, I did learn morse. I don't see the need of it after being in
radio communications for 50 1/2 years.


Is that the only way you will
ever be able to get a ham license?


An AMATEUR license is not one of my life priorities. I've had a
COMMERCIAL license for 47 1/2 years.

Then what's you problem? If you have no interest in an amateur license
then why spout off hear? Go somewhere where someone cares.

I guess if they remove the code
requirement you will campaign to get the written eleminated also so you
won't have to do anything for a license.


No. You are starting to show evidence of high irritation, anonymous
one.

Doesn't irratate me, I have my license, code test and all.

Why is it imperative to have a license, especially an AMATEUR
license?

If one wishes to operate on the amateur bands one needs an amateur
license - DUH!

I took my FCC office test way back in March, 1956. I'd
already been communicating in the HF Big Leagues for three years.
Later on, I've communicated on LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, and
microwaves without needing any amateur radio certificate. Never
ever needed to use or understand morse code for any of that.
Nobody involved in all that communicating complained about
lack of morsemanship.

Great, then go back to your LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF and microwaves with
your commercial license. You obviously have no interest in amateur radio
so it is obvious to the most casual of observers that your only reason
to be hear is to see how big a jackass you can make of yourself.
And you're doing a bang-up job of it.


I haven't belonged to the ARRL
in many years, but you have convinced me I need to join, thanks to you
the ARRL will get a new member.


Go for it. They need warm bodies rather desperately. The League
has yet to get membership from a majority of licensed U.S. radio
amateurs.

Hurry on getting your membership...wonder upon wonders, they are
defraying shipping charges on items puchased from Newington right
now! [of course, you pay the same price in a ham store for ARRL
merchandise and there's no shipping charges to pay...]

It will give me a say in campainging to keep the code test, looks like
that is what keeps you out of ham radio and that's a good thing for ham
radio.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
Why limit any exclusion to just the
church building, parking lot, and parish?
Since churches have been running schools,
colleges, homeless shelters, women and
youth shelters, food kitchens, youth camps
and sports activities, hospitals, nursing
homes, and so on, for many years (some
long before this country was created and
each requiring buildings, land, or equipment),
such a limit would have a serious impact on
many traditional church activities.

If we are going all the way on separation of
church and state, why should they get any
special status beyond what other non-profit
organization would get?


There is very little special special status involved. Every non-profit
organization can write off the costs for buildings, land, facilities,
equipment, personnel, and so on. Any remaining special status, and again
there is very little, is covered by the "free exercise thereof" clause of
the First Amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting the
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof..."

In my opinion, we cannot "go all the way on separation of church and
state" without violating the "free excercise thereof" clause. If anyone were
to argue to ignore the "free excercise thereof" clause, others could just as
easily argue to ignore the "establishment of religion" clause. Luckily, both
clauses exist and people who truly believe in the Bill of Rights should
honor and defend both. Many people are not doing so today.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/