On 6/29/05 3:30 PM, in article
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wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds me
of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years ago
was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up and
he'd make a wad.


- Mike KB3EIA -

w3rv



Oh come on people. 5 WPM is just not that hard to do. To keep on waiting
for it to go away and let this keep you from getting into the HF end of the
ham bands is just kind of silly IMO. Life is full of little inconveniences
and you should not let that get in the way of a something that you would
have a good time doing. Little kids can pick this up in a few months if
they want to.

Some of the most fun I have had on the ham bands has been using CW, and I am
not that good at it and I came to it kicking and screaming. It just took a
month or so of a little work.

OK, I will get of the soap box.



ME

KB0DER

Learn the code-get the license-forget cw and lobby to ditch the damn
ancient waste of time...

Join NCI No-Code International.
Write your congressman and complain public funds are supporting only a
handful of code using radio hobbyists!

Complain, complain, complain...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...

Michael Coslo wrote:
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds
me
of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years ago
was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up and
he'd make a wad.


- Mike KB3EIA -

w3rv

This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio. Why does this
NOT surprise me?

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Learn the code-get the license-forget cw and lobby to ditch the damn
ancient waste of time...

Join NCI No-Code International.
Write your congressman and complain public funds are supporting only a
handful of code using radio hobbyists!

Complain, complain, complain...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...

Michael Coslo wrote:
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds me
of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years ago
was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up and
he'd make a wad.


- Mike KB3EIA -

w3rv

Dan:

Actually, this "Dolt" is just tired of the standard ancient amateur
with his outdated equip taking up bandspace and passing gas...

We need new blood just to bring back some excitement and some future
progress to the amateur hobby... and we need to get rid of those who
oppose and stand in the way of progress... yesterday would not be too
soon for these changes...

John

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
link.net...
This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio. Why
does this NOT surprise me?

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Learn the code-get the license-forget cw and lobby to ditch the
damn ancient waste of time...

Join NCI No-Code International.
Write your congressman and complain public funds are supporting
only a handful of code using radio hobbyists!

Complain, complain, complain...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...

Michael Coslo wrote:
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds
me
of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years
ago
was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up
and
he'd make a wad.


- Mike KB3EIA -

w3rv

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio.

Bingo!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.

80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)

What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.

Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.

Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.

"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.


So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do Ham Radio
these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let the youth text
all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what.


80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)


None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio.

What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.


Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks. Only recently has
this become a "problem". I see no problem with a much smaller, more
dedicated group. We don't need 700,000 licensed hams if only a small
percentage are actually licensed. As a matter of fact I believe you will
find that the membership of the ARRL are the REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the
give a way Tech ticket. These are the folks that wanted a free cell phone.
Go for it.
Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest of you
are at the bottom of the learning curve.

Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and KNOW
what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?).



Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.


Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for all I
know.

YOUR POINT IS?


Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.

No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long gone.
Good riddance.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan:

Well, the 60 to 90 crowd have the bands now, they think they can live
forever and protect their status--we will see--won't we?

In the meantime, when new "would be hams" cite the code and leave, I
am recommending they hold off and see what is going to happen in the
future, I point out if the code is dropped they would change their
minds...

John

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.


So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do
Ham Radio these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let
the youth text all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what.


80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)


None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio.

What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most
part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.


Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks. Only
recently has this become a "problem". I see no problem with a much
smaller, more dedicated group. We don't need 700,000 licensed hams
if only a small percentage are actually licensed. As a matter of
fact I believe you will find that the membership of the ARRL are the
REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the give a way Tech ticket. These are
the folks that wanted a free cell phone. Go for it.
Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest
of you are at the bottom of the learning curve.

Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and
KNOW what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?).



Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are
either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.


Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for
all I know.

YOUR POINT IS?


Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.

No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long
gone. Good riddance.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.



So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do Ham Radio
these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let the youth text
all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what.

The idea that Ham radio is dying is pretty weird. I don't see any
evidence for it. The closest thing to evidence is that fall-off we are
going through right now. And that falloff is due mostly to the "honeydew
hams" who got their license so that could tell the hubby or the missus
to pick up bread or milk on the way home. Those folks haven't been
active in years.

And as for the average age of hams? America is aging, aging, aging
overall. BFD. Our club has a lot of brand new Hams who are older than
me. They are enthusiastic, and having a heck of a good time.

I'm glad to have them on board.


80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)


None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio.

Why are the instant messenger and chatroom stuff touted as some sort of
hi-tech alternative to Ham radio. People who think it is just have it WRONG!


What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.



Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks.

I is a geek. Anyone have a problem with that?

Only recently has
this become a "problem".

Some think we need people with street cred. Fresh people.



I see no problem with a much smaller, more
dedicated group. We don't need 700,000 licensed hams if only a small
percentage are actually licensed. As a matter of fact I believe you will
find that the membership of the ARRL are the REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the
give a way Tech ticket. These are the folks that wanted a free cell phone.
Go for it.
Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest of you
are at the bottom of the learning curve.

Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and KNOW
what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?).

Possibly, but then they would have to find somethin' else to bitch about.


Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.



Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for all I
know.

YOUR POINT IS?

How about this for a *counterpoint*? During Field day weekend, I heard
an obviously very young lady answering my CQ. I was in the middle of a
major run at the high power station, and it would have been easier to
ignore her. I had to have her repeat the callsign and info several times
- I think she was in the missing the front teeth stage. After about a
minute we finally got the exchange completed I said "thank you honey",
and she said "Thank YOU!". That part came through loud and clear.

SO THERE, bitchy negative type hams!



Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.


No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long gone.
Good riddance.

Snort!


- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.



So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do Ham
Radio these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let the
youth text all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what.

The idea that Ham radio is dying is pretty weird. I don't see any evidence
for it. The closest thing to evidence is that fall-off we are going
through right now. And that falloff is due mostly to the "honeydew hams"
who got their license so that could tell the hubby or the missus to pick
up bread or milk on the way home. Those folks haven't been active in
years.

And as for the average age of hams? America is aging, aging, aging
overall. BFD. Our club has a lot of brand new Hams who are older than me.
They are enthusiastic, and having a heck of a good time.

I'm glad to have them on board.


80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)

None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio.

Why are the instant messenger and chatroom stuff touted as some sort of
hi-tech alternative to Ham radio. People who think it is just have it
WRONG!


What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.



Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks.

I is a geek. Anyone have a problem with that?

Only recently has this become a "problem".

Some think we need people with street cred. Fresh people.



I see no problem with a much smaller, more dedicated group. We don't
need 700,000 licensed hams if only a small percentage are actually
licensed. As a matter of fact I believe you will find that the
membership of the ARRL are the REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the give a way
Tech ticket. These are the folks that wanted a free cell phone. Go for
it.
Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest of
you are at the bottom of the learning curve.

Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and KNOW
what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?).

Possibly, but then they would have to find somethin' else to bitch about.


Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.



Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for all I
know.

YOUR POINT IS?

How about this for a *counterpoint*? During Field day weekend, I heard an
obviously very young lady answering my CQ. I was in the middle of a major
run at the high power station, and it would have been easier to ignore
her. I had to have her repeat the callsign and info several times - I
think she was in the missing the front teeth stage. After about a minute
we finally got the exchange completed I said "thank you honey", and she
said "Thank YOU!". That part came through loud and clear.

SO THERE, bitchy negative type hams!



Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.


No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long
gone. Good riddance.

Snort!


- Mike KB3EIA -



Wake up and smell the coffee. Ham radio is and has been for many
years, a dead and dying hobby, where today old white men form the
core of the hobby.