From: on Thurs 30 Jun 2005 09:11

K=D8=88B wrote:
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Where did the six volts come from out in your boonies?

Wind-powered charger on the roof of the barn. (Not all windmills pumped
water).

Where did the B+ come from? Dynamotor, vibrator, batteries?

How many CONSUMER ELECTRONICS radios had "dynamotors," oh great
graduate of the ivy leagues?

Show your "radio history" expertise at work. Remember, CONSUMER
electronics, sold to civilians not the military.

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Most of the classic windcharger systems I know of were nominally 32
volts. When I lived in a rural part 2-land, windmill towers were still
plentiful, although most held TV antennas.

Oh, my, the great guru of radio was how old circa 1958? Was
the great guru born with radio knowledge already implanted?
Or was familiarity already pre-programmed at birth?

"Not all windmills pumped water" was already stated by Hans.
A cross-country travel NOW will show there are plenty of
windmill structures still up and still doing something. STOP
and ASK for details if you need to show "expertise."

Non-electrified rural communities had all sorts of self-electrical
systems. Open any Sears Roebuck catalog of the 1950s and see.

The "nominal 32 Volt" systems might have been common to MARINE
applications. General Radio Company said so in their description
of their 1950s-era Frequency/Time Standard...which used 16 large
lead-acid batteries in series as AC back-up. One was put into
service at the Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation Calibration Lab when
I worked there in 1958-1960. Helped put it in, did the weekly
checks with the old east coast WWV stations on Saturdays (nice
little overtime addition to paycheck).

There's lots of "experts" on 1950s-era "power systems" in here,
such as the "knowledgeable about military surplus" who claim
WW2 Jeeps had 28 V ignition systems. No problem. They will all
have errors which will please your "correctness" syndrome. Feel
free to ruler-spank the naughty, sister Nun of the Above.

pump, pump

"mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY"
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let me see-the mean age for hams is approx 65-if we add 25 years 65+25=90

since the lifespan of men is shorter than females-you are joking right

have you QSO'ed with many 90 year old hams in resthomes-that must be
exciting



I said most of the hams I knew. I did not say the average ham.

I've QSO'd with several 90+ year old hams. Who says just because they are
90+ that they are in a nursing home? Who says that they are not
interesting? I had the pleasure of talking with W5BQU, who was over 100 and
he was still quite sharp.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

K=D8HB wrote:
"Radio Hero" wrote

Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet...

Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28,
one room grades
1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about
10 kids. Teacher
was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to "town
school" on a yellow
bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you home, so you
stayed at your
"storm home" --- all the farm kids were assigned one of those.

3/4 mile? The schools I went to from Grades 1-12 were a mile away!
Little kids took the bus; after 3rd grade or so we just walked. Grades
1-8 was uphill all the way to school but downhill all the way home.
Grades 9-12 was a little rolling.

We did have 110/220 VAC, though. Sidewalks too! And the RESCO store was
on the way home. I still have some of the parts and books I bought
there.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Dee Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go
by
("flying behind the plane")

- Mike KB3EIA -

As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and
tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the
volume
up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can.

sorry yuo simply don't know what you are taking about


You have no data on what to base such an assessment of degree of knowledge I
may or may not have.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:


What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by
("flying behind the plane")

- Mike KB3EIA -


As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and
tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the
volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can.

I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I
doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it
is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can
I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods.

Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are
fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the
headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house.
If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy
his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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Kim wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -



Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms ).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Besides that, Kim, you did what people like myself and Mike and so many
others advocate. That is you took the testing in place at the time that was
required for the privileges that you wanted. You didn't sit on your hands
and wait for the testing procedure to change.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would
have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your
neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala??

We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water
too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.)

73, de Hans, K0HB


There were a lot of rural areas like that. I lived on a farm in Iowa from
the age of 6 months to 10 years old and there was no electricity or running
water there. It was kerosene lamps and carry water from the pump. There
were electrical lines in the area, just not to our farm. And from the
numbers above, I see that I am about 10 years younger than Hans.

Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Radio Hero" wrote

Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet...


Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28, one room
grades 1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about 10
kids. Teacher was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to
"town school" on a yellow bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you
home, so you stayed at your "storm home" --- all the farm kids were
assigned one of those.

73, de Hans, K0HB


"Storm homes" sounds like a good idea. In our area, they just cancelled the
buses and the farmers came into town on their tractors pulling wagons to get
the kids home.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Radio Hero" wrote in message
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote

Just curious, what did you use for a BFO to copy Morse?

Hey, I was a pre-teen kid, not a ham. Didn't know WTF was a BFO, but if
you held a finger on the metal skin of the third tube from the right in
back the Morse would be heard as a sort of buzzy hum. Worked for me and
my brother.

73, de Hans, K0HB



Nice attempt to spin an answer Hans but no cigar.
Did you ever try that "metal skin" thing down at the
Legion Hall?




I never tried that....but I listened to the thumps in the speaker and
figured out something was missing. A few years later I 'larned' about
BFO's.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would
have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your
neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala??

We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water
too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.)

73, de Hans, K0HB


There were a lot of rural areas like that. I lived on a farm in Iowa from
the age of 6 months to 10 years old and there was no electricity or
running water there. It was kerosene lamps and carry water from the pump.
There were electrical lines in the area, just not to our farm. And from
the numbers above, I see that I am about 10 years younger than Hans.

Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Been following this thread with increased interest....just have to throw in
my two cents worth.

Years ago.,..must have been in the mid to late 50s I would spend time with
my Aunt Kay and Uncle Frank. They lived in the old original family home in
Leetonia Ohio. No indoor plumbing, no heat, a shed for the Model T that
still ran, and a special place with the Sears catalog.

Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and
quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was
part of the bed.

Frozen bed pans, contemplation of the ''quick'' run to the Sears catalog
shed in the middle of the night. Brrrrrrrrrrrr......

And yes I had to walk to school ....but it was only a mile or so.

Dan/W4NTI