"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and then
converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a transceiver,
to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed to a
soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and more fps...
SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Wake up, it is already 2005!

John


If you want to transmit images on HF at this time only fax and SSTV have a
small enough band width to be practical.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as
I do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to
comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow Scan
TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI

Dee wrote, "... only fax and SSTV have a small enough band width to be
practical."

That is not only a ridiculous statement, it is preposterous and shows
a total lack of knowledge of the state of data compaction.

However, it proves you are not aware of what is technically possible
and therefore are in a poor position to advise or inform others and,
the sorry state of amateurs technical savvy in general!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and
then converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a
transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed
to a soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and
more fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Wake up, it is already 2005!

John


If you want to transmit images on HF at this time only fax and SSTV
have a small enough band width to be practical.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code
a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital),
ATV, etc. I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who
just don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse
Code--are pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the
mode (as I do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to
honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other
steadfast things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than
the "idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political
terms ).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much,
and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with.
So, could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code
Haters." I don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just
have to comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means
Slow Scan TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI

Dee:

If one ever gets serious about using HF for video, and HS data
transmission, this:
http://www.thiecom.de/english/g313i/
is an excellent investment. The digital signal can be pulled directly
off the PCI bus in the computer and fed to software. This company
supplies the software framework for just about anything you can
imagine, if you know how to code or know someone who does--the sky is
the limit...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and
then converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a
transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed
to a soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and
more fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Wake up, it is already 2005!

John


If you want to transmit images on HF at this time only fax and SSTV
have a small enough band width to be practical.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code
a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital),
ATV, etc. I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who
just don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse
Code--are pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the
mode (as I do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to
honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other
steadfast things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than
the "idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political
terms ).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much,
and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with.
So, could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code
Haters." I don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just
have to comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means
Slow Scan TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI

John Smith wrote:
Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

Me.

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and then
converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a
transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed to a
soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and more
fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Sometimes you write unusual things.

Mike:

Wake up, SSTV was big news in the 1960's, it is now 45 years later and
they have invented the computer!

Any of the web technology of data encryption/compaction/jpeg/mpeg etc
can be easily adapted to amateur radio though the sound card (if you
have a pci sw receiver card you can do it through other ports and much
more efficiently), think about it.

Why most amateurs are not experimenting with it only emphasizes their
age and inability or unwillingness to stay current with technology.
And, the fact that the sharpest technical people are NOT entering
amateur radio these days...

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Dan:

Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?"

Me.

A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and
then converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a
transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed
to a soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and
more fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!!

Sometimes you write unusual things.

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote


What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show?

Yup. "Second City TV" 70's-80's with John Candy and others. Hilarious stuff.
My favorite was the dimwit McKenzie brothers from "The Great White North"
segment. Basically the Canadian version of rednecks, but more so. Eh, hoser?

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as
I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to
comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow Scan
TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI



I haven't had you deep-sixed since I began persuing the newsgroup again,
Wonder-4-Not-Too-Intelligent. And, as usual, you're still the asshole you
have always been.

Kim W5TIT

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as
I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor
the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to
comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow
Scan
TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI



I haven't had you deep-sixed since I began persuing the newsgroup again,
Wonder-4-Not-Too-Intelligent. And, as usual, you're still the asshole you
have always been.

Kim W5TIT



Now she's really ****ed Dan. You old meanie.

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as
I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor
the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Kim W5TIT



I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to
comment.....

What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow
Scan
TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm.

Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital".

Amazing.....and she has a license?

Amazing.

Dan/W4NTI



I haven't had you deep-sixed since I began persuing the newsgroup again,
Wonder-4-Not-Too-Intelligent. And, as usual, you're still the asshole you
have always been.

Kim W5TIT


Thank you for the compliment W5TWIT.

Dan/W4NTI