From: on Tues, Dec 13 2005 4:32 pm


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From: on Dec 12, 3:17 pm
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From: on Dec 11, 10:06 am
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From: on Dec 10, 1:14 pm
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From: on Dec 9, 6:28 pm
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So you haven't "served in other ways?"

Jim? Hello?

I hear nothing from him on "serving."

I'm finally getting the picture. Jim asks the question if it is
possible to "serve in other ways?"

Not that HE served in other ways, mind you, but "other people may have
served in other ways."

Ah! The fog begins to lift over the land of ambiguity! Land ho!

I guess you've got to read between every line with these guys.

Hmmm...in that case I'm getting a disturbing picture of Jimmie
Noserve = Dudly the Imposter.

NOT a good picture for the ARS.

How William Jefferson has changed the nature of "truth." Sigh.

Tsk, this isn't a question of Presidential Politics.

In that case, what of George Walker ever going beyond the
Air Guard service? :-(

Sorry, but the last REAL SERVING IN THE MILITARY President
was James Earle Carter, USN, and George Herbert Walker Bush,
USNR, and Gerald Rudolph Ford, USNR. [living that is]

None of them had any direct contact with amateur radio.


Jim remains a no server in any category.

Oh, I dunno, connect to that server and lots of spam comes
across...

Pretends to talk a pretty good talk til you read between the lines.

...and then he gets all snotty when ya don't agree wid him.


Could be he fired up his personal "wayback machine" and went back
to 1936 to review the ARRL political situation on morris goad
testing rates. I think that was before "Farnsworth" rates were
introduced.

W6TTB introduced his method in the 50's (that is, 1950's).

?

Farnsworth. Introduced his method in the 1950's, 110 years or so after
Morse, about the same time that the military and civilian world was
abandoning Morse. The ARRL begins implementing Farnsworth w/o notice
in the late 80's, makes a public notice about 10 years later.

ARRL can never do anything wrong.


In 1936 I was 3 to 4 years old. Jimmie didn't exist anywhere
close to zygote stage yet, wouldn't be born for 19 or so years.

Jim lost priveleges.

Hmmm...can he "lose" something he doesn't have in 1936?

Well, he probably would have if he had been alive at the time.

Irrelevant in Jimmie's case. He "lived" there and then, and
is One with the Great Spirit or Radio or something.

Maybe someone loaded up his Kester Tri-Core solder with peyote?



I'm reminded of having been called a "liar" because I said that Michael
Deignan had 12 amateur radio licenses. I was wrong. Michael Deignan's
wife had one of them, at same address (at that time). Mike only had
11. I believe Riley then whittled it down to 3. But I'm a "liar."
Hi! Hi, hi!!! Gotta love these guys.

Heh heh, that "love" is "tough." :-)

Being 11/12th right makes one a "LIAR!"

Good 'ol "new math!" :-)

[neither] New math nor Jim's math would have gotten us to the Moon.

A mere quarter million miles? :-)

I'm waiting for Jimmie to "reach the threshold of space" let
alone working a station ON the moon or even doing moonbounce
comms. :-)

Had we done Jimmie's "advancing the state of the art" in space,
we would still be at White Sands, launching the very last of
the German V-2s to reach up 250 miles above the Earth surface.


Yeah, I remember Mikey D's little missives in here, his
adventures with the (?) "radio commandos." Mikey ain't got
them dozen club calls no more. How about that?

Riley allowed the Radio Commando's to live on.

Their "enlistment rate" was extremely low.

"A Commando Unit of One"

Mikey D. was a non-server of one as well...

Mebbe they disbanded and now hang out at the local VFW?

In "thier" wildest dreams. Well..., maybe as a guest.

Maybe if the fraternity renamed itself "Veterans of FANTASY
Wars?"

Dudly the Imposter could run for Grand Poobah.

But at the first hint how they "served in other ways..."

Yes, I know...they CLAM UP. Silence. Sounds "fishy."


Brian, here's a KEEPER for an EXACT QUOTE. On December 10, 2005,
Jimmie write the following:

"The FCC doesn't license radio amateurs."

Exact, word for word. :-)

Good Grief!!! I wonder if being right 0/12 merits the label "liar?"

No. In Jimmie's case he is ALWAYS right, no matter if he makes
a typographical error or not, therefore can NEVER LIE.

I just hope he has a license to drive all that pure snow around

Brand new license issued by the FAA.


Anyone else who makes a typo is AUTOMATICALLY a LIAR all the time,
"constantly making mistakes and errors!"

Tha's Steve's job.

Dudly and Noserve are competitors?



Len and Brian,

If you are going to give direct quotes of what someone allegedly wrote, you
should use the exact words they wrote. That's what "direct quote" means.

Jim, please feel free to provide a direct quote.

Well, I think I obliged Jimmie with the destined-to-become-classic
faux pas of his. Here it is again (from 10 Dec 05):

"The FCC doesn't license radio amateurs."

He might be right. Do you think the FCC outsourced licensing to India?

Wow! I never thought of that! You may be on to something!

Recall the '98 NPRM? Do you think that was the work of an EFL or ESL?

Speaking seriously, I don't see that either 98-143 nor the resulting
FCC 99-412 Memorandum Report and Order were all that bad as
regulatory
items. The U.S. amateur rules had reached a Gordian Knot of
complexity
of Byzantine license classes and morris goad testing on the eve of
the
new millennium and it was time to unravel the Knot.

Too many old-timers in the amateur radio hobby had become victims of
their own delusions of grandeur...wanting to be "professional
amateurs"
with all the rank-status-title-privilege that had been politically
lobbied for by guess-who in the regulations.


He can't understand that other people read
the entirety of his boasting claims of doing more than others
and doing it oh-so-much-better.

The fact is that you were both shown to be wrong and now you're
trying to tapdance away from the fact that you misguoted me.

Tapdance? Jim, please feel free to provide a direct quote. Really.

Can we have some accompanyment to the time-steps? :-)

Rogers&Astair

Gone..."silent taps."

Gregory Hines, greatest of the tap men..."silent taps."

Jim Fixx, multiple author of books on running...gone.

I guess we'll have to settle for a metronome.

The Great Radio Spirit visits Jimmie regularly to "wind up"
his newsgroup metronome. I think that happens whenever his
QST arrives in the mail.

To paraphrase: "Little ideas made of ticky-tocky."


Here's a DIRECT QUOTE again (from Jimmie on 10 Dec 05):

"The FCC doesn't license radio amateurs."

Good Grief!

Jimmie wrote that, he did...

Perhaps he thinks the FCC hires civilians and puts them to work. Then
after sufficient time has passed, the FCC says the applicant has
"earned" "thier" license.

Jimmie needs the spirit of the late John Houseman of the "Paper
Trail" TV show..."we did it the old-fashioned way, we EARNED it!"

Geez, all that foo-fah-rah over "The TEST!" The law establishes
a licensing system and folks are required to pass a license test
(sort of like hunting and fishing licenses) in order to be legal
about their activity. No, passing it becomes A RITE OF PASSAGE
or the equivalent of a PhD Thesis or some kind of SUPERNATURAL
EXPERIENCE!

Too many hams have established a lot of bull**** ju-ju to the
test and the resulting rank-status-title-privilege.


Or even better, you could explain how one "serves in other ways."

Always from the right of the patron? The lady first?

Perhaps he could get a hand towel with his callsign embroidered on it
to carry across his forearm.

It's better than the callsign tattooed across the knuckles
of each hand...

Jim has tatoos?

I was imagining his performances in here to be the equivalent of
James Mitchum's creepy "preacher" in an old, scary black-and-white
film released in the 1950s. That character had L-O-V-E on one
hand, H-A-T-E on the other...liked to off folks that didn't
believe in him.


Gosh, we may have to get Jimmie an "Etty-Kit" so he can serve
properly and correctly!

He's already been to charm school.

He must have flunked out...of that correspondence school...

Hopefully the VA recovered that GI Bill money.

"VA?" "GI Bill?" None of those applied to Jimmie Noserve.

Since Dudly can't prove he served anyplace, I doubt that Dud could
could have gotten any GI bill other than from a military store for
buying all those old medals.


Real estate chatter snipped.

Pity that. Jimmie KNOWS ALL ABOUT the "basis and purpose" of
local zoning ordinances. We can say nothing about zoning
until Jimmie gets us all "zoned" out of this world and into
another realm of existance. Twilight Zone?

There is no subject that Jim can't pretend to speak intelligently on.

True. Sadly true by demonstration.

"A Morse Code Exam would be a Barrier to Morse Code Use."

"The FCC doesn't license radio amateurs."

Verbatim quotes from Jimmie...

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From: on Tues, Dec 13 2005 4:32 pm

Jim has tatoos?

I was imagining his performances in here to be the equivalent of
James Mitchum's creepy "preacher" in an old, scary black-and-white
film released in the 1950s.

Robert Mitchum. 1954. Night of the Hunter from the novel by Davis Grubb.
The author was from up the road in Moundsville. The story is set in
this area.

That character had L-O-V-E on one
hand, H-A-T-E on the other...liked to off folks that didn't
believe in him.

Believing in him had nothing to do with it. He killed prostitutes and
dancers because he thought they were evil and he killed widows for their
money. The guy wasn't even a real preacher.

Don't you get anything right?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Dec 13 2005 4:32 pm

Jim has tatoos?

I was imagining his performances in here to be the equivalent of
James Mitchum's creepy "preacher" in an old, scary black-and-white
film released in the 1950s.

Robert Mitchum. 1954. Night of the Hunter from the novel by Davis Grubb.
The author was from up the road in Moundsville. The story is set in
this area.

That character had L-O-V-E on one
hand, H-A-T-E on the other...liked to off folks that didn't
believe in him.

Believing in him had nothing to do with it. He killed prostitutes and
dancers because he thought they were evil and he killed widows for their
money. The guy wasn't even a real preacher.

Don't you get anything right?

Dave K8MN

Did they ever catch him, or is he still running around the hills of
Moundsville?

Was he a ham preacher?

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Dec 13 2005 4:32 pm
Jim has tatoos?
I was imagining his performances in here to be the equivalent of
James Mitchum's creepy "preacher" in an old, scary black-and-white
film released in the 1950s.
Robert Mitchum. 1954. Night of the Hunter from the novel by Davis Grubb.
The author was from up the road in Moundsville. The story is set in
this area.

That character had L-O-V-E on one
hand, H-A-T-E on the other...liked to off folks that didn't
believe in him.
Believing in him had nothing to do with it. He killed prostitutes and
dancers because he thought they were evil and he killed widows for their
money. The guy wasn't even a real preacher.

Don't you get anything right?

Did they ever catch him, or is he still running around the hills of
Moundsville?

I can see how you'd become confused. It was a movie, Brian. You can
rest easy now.

Was he a ham preacher?

No, he was a ham salad sandwich.

You may now continue your red-hatted monkey routine. Perhaps the old
organ grinder will crank up another tune so you can dance for us.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Dec 13 2005 4:32 pm
Jim has tatoos?
I was imagining his performances in here to be the equivalent of
James Mitchum's creepy "preacher" in an old, scary black-and-white
film released in the 1950s.
Robert Mitchum. 1954. Night of the Hunter from the novel by Davis Grubb.
The author was from up the road in Moundsville. The story is set in
this area.

That character had L-O-V-E on one
hand, H-A-T-E on the other...liked to off folks that didn't
believe in him.
Believing in him had nothing to do with it. He killed prostitutes and
dancers because he thought they were evil and he killed widows for their
money. The guy wasn't even a real preacher.

Don't you get anything right?

Did they ever catch him, or is he still running around the hills of
Moundsville?

I can see how you'd become confused. It was a movie, Brian. You can
rest easy now.

Was he a ham preacher?

No, he was a ham salad sandwich.

You may now continue your red-hatted monkey routine. Perhaps the old
organ grinder will crank up another tune so you can dance for us.

Dave K8MN

Thanks, Dave. You can always be counted on to call names and ridicule
people (profile).

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Dec 13 2005 4:32 pm
Jim has tatoos?
I was imagining his performances in here to be the equivalent of
James Mitchum's creepy "preacher" in an old, scary black-and-white
film released in the 1950s.
Robert Mitchum. 1954. Night of the Hunter from the novel by Davis Grubb.
The author was from up the road in Moundsville. The story is set in
this area.

That character had L-O-V-E on one
hand, H-A-T-E on the other...liked to off folks that didn't
believe in him.
Believing in him had nothing to do with it. He killed prostitutes and
dancers because he thought they were evil and he killed widows for their
money. The guy wasn't even a real preacher.

Don't you get anything right?
Did they ever catch him, or is he still running around the hills of
Moundsville?
I can see how you'd become confused. It was a movie, Brian. You can
rest easy now.

Was he a ham preacher?
No, he was a ham salad sandwich.

You may now continue your red-hatted monkey routine. Perhaps the old
organ grinder will crank up another tune so you can dance for us.

Thanks, Dave. You can always be counted on to call names and ridicule
people (profile).

If you'd like to play games, asking about whether a fictional character
from a movie has been captured or whether he was a "ham preacher", I can
play it your way. If you play the little, red-hatted monkey, you'll be
treated as a little, red-hatted monkey.

Dave K8MN

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Sorry, but the last REAL SERVING IN THE MILITARY President
was James Earle Carter, USN,

His middle name is spelled "Earl". Not "Earle".

Can't you get anyhting right? ;-)

Spelling isn't rocket science, Len :-)

and George Herbert Walker Bush,
USNR, and Gerald Rudolph Ford, USNR. [living that is]

Our current President served as an F-102 pilot in the Texas Air
National Guard.

See:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

Does that service not count for you, Len?

President Ronald Reagan (yes, he's dead) also served:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/rr.htm

None of them had any direct contact with amateur radio.

How do you know for sure, Len?

On 16 Dec 2005 15:41:15 -0800, wrote in
.com:

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Our current President served as an F-102 pilot in the Texas Air
National Guard.


Must have been hell for him..... waiting a whole day to find out if
his daddy had enough pull to get him out of Nam, applying for waivers
to go play politics during the times he was supposed to be training,
and didn't even fly during his final months because he couldn't keep
an appointment for a physical. An honest-to-god war hero he is.


President Ronald Reagan (yes, he's dead) also served:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/rr.htm


I liked this actor much better:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/js.htm










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From: on Dec 16, 3:41 pm


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Sorry, but the last REAL SERVING IN THE MILITARY President
was James Earle Carter, USN,

His middle name is spelled "Earl". Not "Earle".

Can't you get anyhting right? ;-)

"Anyhting?"

Go to: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm

You WILL find that it is EARLE with an ending E, just like
his father spelled it.

Also in Wikipedia, a couple of Almanacs, etc.


Spelling isn't rocket science, Len :-)

That's true, Jimmie.

I've worked WITH rocket scientists (and engineers) at
Rocketdyne Division of (then) Rockwell International
(now a Division of Boeing who purchased them a few
years ago).

Have you worked WITH rocket scientists, Jimmie?

Have you ever been a part of an SSME (Space Shuttle Main
Engine) test firing to test LOX flow instrumentation?
I have. Up on "Coca Site" of the Santa Susannah Field
Test Laboratories in the mountains between Los Angeles
and Ventura Counties.

Have you worked IN the space business, Jimmie?

Have you helped "reach the threshold of space" with a
ham balloon?


and George Herbert Walker Bush,
USNR, and Gerald Rudolph Ford, USNR. [living that is]

Our current President served as an F-102 pilot in the Texas Air
National Guard.

I thought I wrote that? Do you know what an F-102 is,
Jimmie?

Do you know the difference between it and an F-106, Jimmie?

I've had my hands inside both of them at Hughes Aircraft
Company field in Culver City, CA. Took part in testing of
the MA-1 fire control system for the F-106, initially using
the F-102 as a test bed. That was in 1958-1960. MA-1 was
the first - and probably last - vacuum tube based digital
computer airborne fire-control system. Interesting stuff
to know what that MA-1 could do...


See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

Does that service not count for you, Len?

Not particularly. Dubya was never activated from the Air
Guard during a war time, Jimmie.


None of them had any direct contact with amateur radio.

How do you know for sure, Len?

If they did, QST would have had an orgasmic issue
special! :-)

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wrote:
From: on Dec 16, 3:41 pm
wrote:
Sorry, but the last REAL SERVING IN THE MILITARY President
was James Earle Carter, USN,

His middle name is spelled "Earl". Not "Earle".

Can't you get anyhting right? ;-)

"Anyhting?"

Yes, Leonarde, "anyhting". A typo. You seem to go ape
over them, so I toss in one or two just to keep you happy,

Go to: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm

You WILL find that it is EARLE with an ending E, just like
his father spelled it.

Other sources say differently.

Spelling isn't rocket science, Len :-)

That's true,

So why are you so bad at it? ;-)

I've worked WITH rocket scientists (and engineers) at
Rocketdyne Division of (then) Rockwell International
(now a Division of Boeing who purchased them a few
years ago).

As you flitted from job to job....

Does having worked for "rocket scientists" somehow make
your opinions about amateur radio policy better or superior
to those of anyone else, Len?

You seem to think it does.

Have you ever been a part of an SSME (Space Shuttle Main
Engine) test firing to test LOX flow instrumentation?
I have. Up on "Coca Site" of the Santa Susannah Field
Test Laboratories in the mountains between Los Angeles
and Ventura Counties.

Does that somehow make
your opinions about amateur radio policy better or superior
to those of anyone else, Len?

You seem to think it does.

and George Herbert Walker Bush,
USNR, and Gerald Rudolph Ford, USNR. [living that is]

Our current President served as an F-102 pilot in the Texas Air
National Guard.

I thought I wrote that?

No, you didn't. I wrote it.

Do you know what an F-102 is....?

Yes, I do, Len. Do you know what an FT-102 is, Len?

Do you know the difference between it and an F-106, Jimmie?

Yes, I do, Len. Do you the difference between an FT-102 and an FT-101?

I've had my hands inside both of them at Hughes Aircraft
Company field in Culver City, CA.

I've had my hands inside all kinds of things, Len.

Took part in testing of
the MA-1 fire control system for the F-106, initially using
the F-102 as a test bed. That was in 1958-1960. MA-1 was
the first - and probably last - vacuum tube based digital
computer airborne fire-control system. Interesting stuff
to know what that MA-1 could do...

Does that somehow make
your opinions about amateur radio policy better or superior
to those of anyone else, Len?

You seem to think it does.

Besides - how do we know any of these "rocket scientist" claims
of yours are true? You're big on demanding "proof" of
all sorts of stuff, and rejecting people's claims. Why
should we accept your claims? Pictures and verbiage on
someone's website aren't "proof".

See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

Does that service not count for you, Len?

Not particularly.

Is that a yes or a no?

Dubya was never activated from the Air
Guard during a war time,

So what? Does someone's military service only
count if they are "activated during a war time"?

Let's see....Dan, W4NTI, was certainly "activated
during a war time". He was the target of your
"few ounces of pressure" posts.

Dave, K8MN was certainly "activated during a war
time". He was the target of your classic "feldwebel post".

I don't know if you consider Hans, K0HB, to have been
"activated during a war time", but you sure don't show
him much respect even though he has more military
service than you. And he's NCTA!

Perhaps what really bothers you about K0HB is that
he has better stories, and tells them better, than you do.

And while Hans is against the Morse Code test, and has been
for a long time, he's *for* Morse Code *use*. That seems to
bother you no end. Which proves that you're not just against
the *test*, but against Morse Code *use*. And a whole bunch
of other things.

None of them had any direct contact with amateur radio.

How do you know for sure, Len?

If they did, QST would have had an orgasmic issue
special! :-)

Nope. They didn't have one about K7UGA.

Wrong again, Len!