Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Al Klein on Thurs, Aug 17 2006 6:46 pm
On 17 Aug 2006 15:26:18 -0700, " wrote: Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. No, first YOU misunderstood "didn't escape being color coded" as meaning "didn't get color coded". What is to "misunderstand?" Brian Burke wrote in that fashion, perhaps too colloquially for your absolutely-literal standards of English, but it was perfectly clear to most readers here. Then you tried to weasel out of looking like the ass you are by looking even more stupid. Trying to insult those who challenge your "knowledge" of electronic components isn't going to win you any points. The FACT is that capacitors and axial-lead inductors have been color-coded for decades. That can be verified by looking at component manufacturers' catalogs and several textbooks (even going back to the ITT "Green Bible" of the 50s) as well as the ARRL Handbooks (several years worth). You call that "stupid?" I wouldn't. Any self-respecting worker who has been in electronics for years wouldn't. Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Your definition of "stupidity" seems to be that of ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU or one who DOES NOT HONOR AND BOW-DOWN TO YOUR SUPPOSED MAJESTY AS AN AMATEUR. Unfortunately, those "definitions" seem endemic to pro-coders, those who insist on keeping a morse code test for amateur radio into the far future. That viewpoint is entirely EMOTIONAL based on your own experiences, has no validity in the supposed "necessity" of keeping that morse code test in USA amateur radio licensing. "You did it so everyone else has to..." That's a selfish, self-righteous viewpoint in my opinion. It confuses the actual necessities of a government regulating agency trying to mitigate many, many users of the civil radio spectrum with some fraternal-organization in-house "rules" of just one radio service out of many, "rules" that were established decades ago. You cannot support your "cause" with anything but throwing personal insults at your challengers. You have already LOST your arguments concerning the morse code test issue. You win NOTHING except in your imagination. It is even worse, perhaps sociopathic in that over-the-top self-righteousness, to claim you are a "better human being" just for having taken a morse code test...as an AMATEUR. You seem to look down your royal nose at all who wish to remove the code test from amateur radio licensing. Especially so when you cannot establish your bona fides of "long-term experience" supposedly in radio beyond amateur activities. You're not worth my time. Obviously not, "your majesty." :-) Here's a suggestion: Drop the "outraged" act and start thinking about the SUBJECT, not your own emotionalism. One good way to make you feel better to yourself is to find a morsemanship-support group. Such a group can sit around and praise one another. Makes all in the group warm and fuzzy holding the same opinion. Its also a way to hold off the future and any changes in regulations, but only within your own fantasies. An alternative is to just LEAVE rec.radio.amateur.policy. Few in here see you as the Final Arbiter of what is "good" and what is "bad" in amateurism. Leave or stay. Your choice. Matters not to me. Government will continue - in a democratic-process fashion - to serve ALL citizens, not just one group of radio spectrum users. A group, I might add, that is a distinct MINORITY of all radio users. Think on that. [few pro-coders do] |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
|
#4
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. Quite true, Brian. Those of us who were here 1 to 2 years ago had an eyefull of his continuous - but faulty - efforts to "tell" us all about His fantasy of things. :-) Mainly it was his abject refusal to back down when faced with definitive directives by the government (DoD) in regard to the Military Affiliate Radio System. Weeks went by without his admitting that the Directive existed. His final communication on the subject would NOT openly admit to error but was laced with more personal insults on his challengers. Sad. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. Quite true, Brian. Those of us who were here 1 to 2 years ago had an eyefull of his continuous - but faulty - efforts to "tell" us all about His fantasy of things. :-) Little Billy Beeper had him pegged - he's nuts. Mainly it was his abject refusal to back down when faced with definitive directives by the government (DoD) in regard to the Military Affiliate Radio System. Such complete ignorance of MARS, yet somehow, he claims that he was the Assistant NCOIC of a NMC MARS Station on Okinawa. Simply unbeleivable. Weeks went by without his admitting that the Directive existed. His final communication on the subject would NOT openly admit to error but was laced with more personal insults on his challengers. Sad. Accusations and insults. Whichever grad student locks on to him first is one lucky SOB. All the work is done. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 1:55 pm
wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. Quite true, Brian. Those of us who were here 1 to 2 years ago had an eyefull of his continuous - but faulty - efforts to "tell" us all about His fantasy of things. :-) Little Billy Beeper had him pegged - he's nuts. True enough. :-( Mainly it was his abject refusal to back down when faced with definitive directives by the government (DoD) in regard to the Military Affiliate Radio System. Such complete ignorance of MARS, yet somehow, he claims that he was the Assistant NCOIC of a NMC MARS Station on Okinawa. Simply unbeleivable. It gets worse. Go to the QRZ bio page for K4YZ and use his link to his AOL Home Page. There he claims not only an Assistant "CHOP" (presumably CHief OPerator) but as THE CHOP of another MARS station! He'd never mentioned being at that 2nd MARS station in here. Weeks went by without his admitting that the Directive existed. His final communication on the subject would NOT openly admit to error but was laced with more personal insults on his challengers. Sad. Accusations and insults. Whichever grad student locks on to him first is one lucky SOB. All the work is done. Yeah, but look at the MASSIVE outpouring of his claims, insults, and generally vague, undetailed personal history of his. Whoever takes it on will probably need a dozen file cabinets to store all the printouts! :-) [a fine example of today's Extra class amateur licensee...] |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
|
#9
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:10:22 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Here's a suggestion: Drop the "outraged" act and start thinking about the SUBJECT, not your own emotionalism. Are you prepared to address the SUBJECT, Len? The subject is: "If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?" Go for it. I will address it certianly not I myself with now skill at the mode could save a life if it came to that Mark, caution on Heil and his - usual - attempt at misdirection by manufacturing a dispute over personalities. Heil does this repeatedly as a means of attempting to discredit and humiliate his "opponents." This whole 500+ message thread was started by the usual imaginative pipe-dream of morse code "saving lives" (as opposed to any other mode) thereby "justifying" its existance as an AMATEUR radio license test. In the USA the amateur radio service is NOT specifically or mainly involved in "life-saving" activities. The Public Safety sub-parts of the PLMRS (Private Land Mobile Radio Service) (non-amateur) define that. A look into Part 1 of Title 47 C.F.R. will show that - for the safety of life - ANY mode of communication on ANY part of the EM spectrum by ANYONE can be used for the purposes of safety of life. The "argument" over hypothetical scenarios formulated by someone biasing their "proposed" condition is a pointless exercise. No one can foresee the future clearly or definitively. The morse code test was originally instituted in amateur radio licensing testing after such testing was begun by the first federal radio regulating agency in the USA. It was there because that agency felt it was necessary for their radio-regulating purposes (it was, essentially, the ONLY mode for amateurs at the time). Morse code testing has remained in the USA regulations concerning below-30-MHz amateur radio privileges ever since the FCC was created in 1934...principally at the lobbying of the ARRL to pacify their old-time membership. Well before the WRC-03 beginning, the IARU had already taken a position that morse code testing was NOT essential to obtaining an amateur radio license. The ARRL refused to go along with that position (it was the ARRL against the world). The ARRL still refuses to take sides long after WRC-03 was finished, saying (obliquely) that amateurs must obey regulations [in the USA]; good words but they don't take any side in the code test v. no code test issue. That morse code skill is NOT considered essential to safety of life should be evident on some international regulations (both via WRC and with individual nations' radio regulations): Those radio services designated as Public Safety (as in medical as well as police and fire services) do NOT require testing for morsemanship. The new (relatively, since 1999) GMDSS (designed-specified by international maritime SOLAS community) requires NO morsemanship skills or demonstration of same to call for help at sea. The old 500 KHz international distress and safety frequency (and morsemanship needs to use it) were eliminated. The United States Coast Guard announced (some years ago) that it had stopped monitoring 500 KHz. International airspace communications is carried out on HF using voice modes (agreement by ICAO, a UN body like the ITU). The long-time pro-coders' arguments to preserve code testing in last year's FCC NPRM Comment period had only these essential arguments to preserve it: Ability to communicate with the least transmitter power; some kind of 'unbreakable' system to thwart terrorists; some fancied that amateur (CW) communications would be the 'only' possible means available during emergencies. All of those are invalid and were shown as such by Replies to Comments. All that was left was the EMOTIONALISM of the long-timers having to take the test, their rising to the 'top' of the amateur ranking by means of that demonstrated ability, and a refusal to change from their self-righteous views on amateur radio. Some long-timers achieved rank-position-title-privileges under old rules (that were lobbied for by ARRL) that gave the most privileges to morsemen; they fear loss of 'prestige' and privilege if the morse code test goes away, yet are too proud to admit their fear (which is almost palpable in some of these messages). As a counterpoint to elimination of the code test, many of the more 'vocal' pro-coders have taken their 'side' to rather severe (and highly misplaced) lengths. They accuse the 'no-coders' of everything from homosexuality to perversion to unpatriotic activies to bestiality. Most of the personal-insult pro-coder group use pseudonyms on newsgroups, possibly afraid of revealing their true identity; none the less these 'anony-mousies" behave in immature fashion, more like middle-school males trying to assert their machismo even though they try to hide via anonymity. --- Heil, a pro-coder, tries to misdirect things by attempting to make a flame war about personalities: How do you know how many see Al as an arbiter? How many do you believe think you'd make a good arbiter in discussions of amateur radio? "Arbeit macht frei" - sign over one of the entrances to Auschwitz. ["work sets you free"] Let's everyone WORK for that amateur radio license!!! :-) |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:10:22 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: As a counterpoint to elimination of the code test, many of the more 'vocal' pro-coders have taken their 'side' to rather severe (and highly misplaced) lengths. They accuse the 'no-coders' of everything from homosexuality to perversion to unpatriotic activies to bestiality. Most of the personal-insult pro-coder group use pseudonyms on newsgroups, possibly afraid of revealing their true identity; none the less these 'anony-mousies" behave in immature fashion, more like middle-school males trying to assert their machismo even though they try to hide via anonymity. --- Heil, a pro-coder, tries to misdirect things by attempting to make a flame war about personalities: he is better than Robeson but that is saying little How do you know how many see Al as an arbiter? How many do you believe think you'd make a good arbiter in discussions of amateur radio? "Arbeit macht frei" - sign over one of the entrances to Auschwitz. ["work sets you free"] yes I know Let's everyone WORK for that amateur radio license!!! :-) indeed |
Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
Persuing a Career in Electronics, HELP! | Homebrew | |||
Bonafied Proof of LIFE AFTER DEATH -- Coal Mine Rescue | Shortwave |