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On Jul 7, 5:35 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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m...



On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:


money. Why do pirates go on the air?


In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.


If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.


I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.


All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money due
to sharper competitors or bad signals.



Eduardo – Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.

There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think you’re proven right. But so many times you’re
wrong. You are pathetic.

Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves they’re doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.

No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside you’re
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.
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dxAce wrote:

Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.


Drag queens have socialite pretensions, as you well know, Raoul.
How was last night's 'mutual respect' session?



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m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.


Drag queens have socialite pretensions, as you well know, Raoul.


Yep, and both you and Pancho certainly have those pretensions.


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Raoulf Kramden wrote:

Drag queens have socialite pretensions, as you well know, Raoul.


Yep, and both you and Pancho certainly have those pretensions.



Pretensions are nothing as solid and real as the woman's clothing in
your closet. Did the Bra Cuhulin sent you actually fit? It was a size B,
if I recall and red in colour.

How did last night's 'mutual respect' session go? Are you walking like a
cowboy?


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On Jul 7, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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...

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:35:06 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:


All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
due to sharper competitors or bad signals.


They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.


They did no such thing. Indie was run by Entravision with a JSA (joint sales
agreement) with Clear Channel so they would not have to have a separate
sales department for a station (actually, combo) that only covers about 20%
of the market.

In any case, that was years ago... and the FCC only stopped them indirectly.
Clear ceased to hold the JSA because the FCC redefined the method used to
determine what a "radio market" is, causing quite a few changes across the
country to a number of broadcasters.


Eduardo – Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.

There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think you’re proven right. But so many times you’re
wrong. You are pathetic.

Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves they’re doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.

No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside you’re
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.


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On Jul 7, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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...

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:35:06 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:


All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
due to sharper competitors or bad signals.


They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.


They did no such thing. Indie was run by Entravision with a JSA (joint sales
agreement) with Clear Channel so they would not have to have a separate
sales department for a station (actually, combo) that only covers about 20%
of the market.

In any case, that was years ago... and the FCC only stopped them indirectly.
Clear ceased to hold the JSA because the FCC redefined the method used to
determine what a "radio market" is, causing quite a few changes across the
country to a number of broadcasters.


Eduardo – Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.

There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think you’re proven right. But so many times you’re
wrong. You are pathetic.

Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves they’re doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.

No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside you’re
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.
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On Jul 7, 1:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:

money. *Why do pirates go on the air?


* *In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.


* *If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.


I don't have a bong. * Not every radio station makes money. *Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; *some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; *some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. *We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.


- You are talking to a former NPR PD
- (admittedly before the ala carte era).
-
- www.pacifica.org

Dave - D'Oh ! Pacific.Org -ain't- NPR [.] ~ RHF
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"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Mon,
7 Jul 2008 23:40:43 -0400, A Brown wrote: Begin


There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio.


And they can continue to enjoy them in analog.

HD radio simply adds more functionality.

No one istaking away analog radio



Jamming other stations with fat sloppy digital sidebands
is indeed 'taking away' those other stations.


These "other stations" that you mention being taken away are not stations
that were ever protected in your area.

These stations were never meant to service your area. Radio signals go on
virtuallity till infinity. We have not protected stations to infinity.

It's a cost vs. reward scenario. There are a few DX-ers who might not be
happy....but many more reap the benefits of HD radio.



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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4872e39a.3210326@chupacabra...
Rfburns wrote:

There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
hopefully will be for a long time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.


He acts like a stereotypical jew
selfish inconsiderate egotistical


Well, there goes your credibility in any discussion Bob Dobb!


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"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
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As to AM in Carlsbad, you are at the fringe of the AM signals of the
San
Diego HD AMs, so dropout would be likely on a bad receiver. The fact
is
that
SD does not even have an AM that totally covers the market with a
usable
signal.

2nd model maybe, not second generation.


First generation used several separate chips. Second, starting with the
BA
Receptor, used an integrated chip, third generation coming in next few
months.


Nope. All radios so far are using general purpose IC programmed by EPROM
to run the Ibiquity application.

I'll let you know when an IC that specifically designed for IBOC comes
around.


Gen 1 was a bunch of chips... gen 2 is one EPROM (which in general parlance,
is a chip). Gen 3 includes the Samsung and other "radio on a chip" products.

Gen 1 was the Pioneer car radio nearly every CE of an early HD station had.


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