wrote in message
...

If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors
will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters
pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any
money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all
come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.


There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

On Dec 20, 5:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...



If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

*Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

"It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a
bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for
narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD. "

"Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror"

"We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM...
If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had
complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the radio
industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio
stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency. Do
the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out of
business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify
advertising."

http://tinyurl.com/6omhpv

"Radio: The U.K.'s Digital death notice"

"Ferrara came out of hiding this week to fallaciously proclaim that HD
radio-only stations – those that you can hear only on an HD Radio
receiver - are writing business and making money... Reality check: HD
Radio isn’t going to bill anything – period."

http://tinyurl.com/33mtuo

On Dec 20, 2:59*pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

....

If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

*Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.

There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

"It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a
bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for
narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD. "

"Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror"

- "We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM...
- If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had
- complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the
radio
- industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio
- stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency.
Do
- the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out
of
- business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify
- advertising."

OK so an Over-Populated Market would become
de-populated and the Local Business Advertising
Model would 'adjust' to a potentially more profitable
enterprise.

sounds like progress in the right direction ~ RHF


http://tinyurl.moc/6omhpv

"Radio: The U.K.'s Digital death notice"

"Ferrara came out of hiding this week to fallaciously proclaim that HD
radio-only stations – those that you can hear only on an HD Radio
receiver - are writing business and making money... Reality check: HD
Radio isn’t going to bill anything – period."

http://tinyurl.moc/33mtuo

On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...



If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

wrote:

On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...



If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

And you're trying to get the truth out of 'Eduardo'?

LMFAO

On Dec 20, 6:15 pm, dxAce wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

....

If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.

There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

And you're trying to get the truth out of 'Eduardo'?

LMFAO

Unlikely, but possible.

wrote in message
...

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

On Dec 20, 7:23*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...

What about iBiquity? *Are they not deeply in dept? *It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. *With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. *There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. *Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. *I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. *Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008

"There was continued top-down advocacy of HD Radio from David Rehr,
but little support from attendees, and even small signs of revolt on
the subject. It was good to see the clear disconnect on this issue, as
it is forcing radio’s leaders to look more diligently toward viable
solutions that fit the demands of today’s consumer, rather than
depending on a delegated entity to secure radio’s longevity."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008
.."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

You really expect an opinion in favor of HD by a direct competitor of
terrestrial radio? The link you have posted goes to a site run by a
proponent of cellular programming delivery. They hate radio.

On Dec 20, 9:37*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...
On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008
."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

You really expect an opinion in favor of HD by a direct competitor of
terrestrial radio? The link you have posted goes to a site run by a
proponent of cellular programming delivery. They hate radio.

"Black Friday for HD Radio"

"Nor was I surprised when Kurt veered left to discuss - and dismiss -
HD Radio. What fascinated me was the reaction. Any room full of
broadcasters is full of HD radio doubters, nowadays. But the vibe in
this room was remarkable for the eye-rolling and audible snickering
that greeted virtually any mention of HD."

http://www.hear2.com/2008/03/this-weeks-desp.html

"Will Small Markets Convert to HD Radio? Survey Suggests Not Soon"

"Of the 100, he received 50 surveys back. Of those, only one station
had converted to HD-R. Eighty-six percent of the remaining respondents
indicated it would be highly unlikely or somewhat unlikely they would
convert their stations over the next 12 months, according to his
report. Six percent indicated it would be neither likely nor unlikely,
and only 6% indicated it would be likely, he told me. Most respondents
cited cost as the main factor prohibiting conversion; others felt the
technology had been overhyped and that FM analog is good enough in the
listeners’ minds, McIntyre says."

http://www.rwonline.com/leslie_report/