Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And some
of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call
themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the FREE.

By far, this posting by you is the best.

I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed.

It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around HOA's
or there darn rules.

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.



Frank Dresser wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5efc12221e.htm#38

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html

As far as I'm concerned, any attempt to restrict such fundamental rights
as a respectful religious display or display of the US Flag ought to get
laughed out of court, just as an attempt to enforce a racial restrictive
covanant.

Frank Dresser

I see that no one wants to respond your post Marylou.

It's my opinion that you must be on tract.

America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Yes, what are AAA zoned areas? I haven't come across that term before.

wrote:

What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.

wrote:
America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of
the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)?
I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed
on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to compromise
one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
wrote:
America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of
the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)?
I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed
on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to
compromise
one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves.

It floors me how some Americans can defend the loss of the principles upon
which the country was founded, and for which our troops are supposed to be
fighting. As a country, we do great dishonor to those who have died to
protect our freedom by giving up that freedom voluntarily under the guise of
personal or financial security.

Midwest Kid wrote:
"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
news:m9wyb.372045$Tr4.1101837@attbi_s03...

The buyer's requested assurance that the antenna and tower would be
removed prior to passing papers. My response "Of course!"


So here we have:

1: The people did not want the antennas.

Stop taking a position OUT of Context. The new owners were/are not hams.
But the tower and antennas are in my new backyard.

Restated, the tower had NO IMPACT on the selling price of the property!
The property sold based on LOCATION. I had lived there for 38+ years
prior to sale. BTW, the home across the street and the home next door
also sold for above market value.


2: It's more like "**** my neighbor.

Your vulgarisms are not appreciated in my house and hopefully other
homes. Get the emotion out of your argument and please present your case
on facts using civil language. Remember this group is read by men,
women, and possibly children.

Deacon Dave [Reverend], W1MCE

SNIP

NO the realtor did not make any recommendation regarding the antennas at
my home. [See previous posts same subject]. The antennas were up and
operating until 1 week before the movers came and bank closing.

You are still making generalizations that are not factual. Please give
the name, city and circumstances of those realtors who say 'take them
down prior to sale'.

You persist in making generalizations that are not supported by facts.

W1MCE

Midwest Kid wrote:

"Richard G Amirault" wrote in message
...

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?


That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say
your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your home.
You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore you
cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite
group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling
their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if they
are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take them
down.

In Florida, USA, last month, the national news [Good Morning America,
ABC TV] reported that a military veteran could not fly the USA flag
because the pole violated HOA rules.

What's more the Florida courts supported the HOA!!!!

W1MCE

wrote:


SNIP

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.

SNIP

Exactly!

Looking through this thread, I see (time and again) that the people that are
either mistrustful of HOA's or outright hostile to the idea of them don't
live in an area with covenants and HOA's.

Good!

Having read some earlier posts by some of the people posting that are the
most dead-set against the idea, I know of two that actually live in mobile
homes. (Great post on how to get good AM signal inside the metal shell,
BTW). I have nothing against house trailers -- I rented one for two years
when I was in college. However, I do think SOME of these posters are hardly
authorities on keeping up property values in upscale neighborhoods.

In this case, one size doesn't fit all -- HOA's are most definitely NOT for
everybody -- particularly people that think that rules should apply to
everyone but themselves. However, just because they're not a good fit for
you, doesn't mean they're not a good thing for others. Don't like 'em --
don't move here -- that simple.

I chose to build in my particular neighborhood precisely because of the
covenants. We built the third house in our neighborhood, and we needed to
be sure that the rest of our subdivision would be comparable homes. Six
years later, we've got a great neighborhood and our house has increased in
value substantially.

Your mileage may vary.

-- Stinger

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
et...

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

My county just east of Indy has plenty of
non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip)


I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for
DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our
residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making
that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's
(especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of
town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But
I
don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still
relatively free of CC&R's.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
.........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of woods,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:XJAyb.270855$275.965396@attbi_s53...

"Richard G Amirault" wrote in message
...

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with
15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?

That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say
your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your
home.
You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore
you
cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite
group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling
their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if
they
are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take
them
down.


He didn't when I showed my other house prior to buying
this one.


Jerry