"Volker Tonn" wrote in message
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Listening to VOA is in fact worthless. For some bad reason I get
their
hourly news from a local FM-transmitter during daytime on buisiness.
Pure propaganda for US troops travelling outside US and torture
people
just for the ONLY reason to get control over raw oil reserves.
ALL other given reasons are pure lies of the US gouvernment. But
most US
citicens are too stupid to realize it.
They just believe in the fabrications and lies of the gouvernment
you
are supporting. So YOU are a fabricator and liar too. That's a
proven fact.
I do just listen to BBC on 6195.

Yet another expert with a built in lie detector enabling him to
distinguish between various types of propaganda and the "truth."
Needless to say, "propaganda" is coverage that doesn't suit his
preconceptions, while he finds "truth" in the recently discredited
BBC because the reporting has more in common with his "America-BAD"
world view. Tell me, Volker, just what is it that makes you so much
smarter than us "stupid" U.S. citizens?

In article ,
"T. Early" wrote:

"Volker Tonn" wrote in message
...

Listening to VOA is in fact worthless. For some bad reason I get
their hourly news from a local FM-transmitter during daytime on
buisiness. Pure propaganda for US troops travelling outside US and
torture people just for the ONLY reason to get control over raw oil
reserves. ALL other given reasons are pure lies of the US
gouvernment. But most US citicens are too stupid to realize it.
They just believe in the fabrications and lies of the gouvernment
you are supporting. So YOU are a fabricator and liar too. That's a
proven fact. I do just listen to BBC on 6195.

Yet another expert with a built in lie detector enabling him to
distinguish between various types of propaganda and the "truth."
Needless to say, "propaganda" is coverage that doesn't suit his
preconceptions, while he finds "truth" in the recently discredited
BBC because the reporting has more in common with his "America-BAD"
world view. Tell me, Volker, just what is it that makes you so much
smarter than us "stupid" U.S. citizens?

Most Americans are smart enough to figure out the line of crap the BBC
is spewing and it's to bad you can't Volker.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

T. Early schrieb:


Yet another expert with a built in lie detector enabling him to
distinguish between various types of propaganda and the "truth."
Needless to say, "propaganda" is coverage that doesn't suit his
preconceptions, while he finds "truth" in the recently discredited
BBC because the reporting has more in common with his "America-BAD"

You're basically right. But you have to listen to find out what's going
wrong.

Tell me, Volker, just what is it that makes you so much
smarter than us "stupid" U.S. citizens?


I KNOW that even the german government is lying all the way. The
difference is: in first place I do not believe anything our government
says, and I basically do NOT support our government.
Too many americans are following their government like blind sheeps :-(
It's not far away from taking it religous.
Ar least our (german) radiostations are independent from government.
Although they go wrong on some facts too. But they are smart enough to
to clear it up.

Volker Tonn wrote:

T. Early schrieb:


Yet another expert with a built in lie detector enabling him to
distinguish between various types of propaganda and the "truth."
Needless to say, "propaganda" is coverage that doesn't suit his
preconceptions, while he finds "truth" in the recently discredited
BBC because the reporting has more in common with his "America-BAD"

You're basically right. But you have to listen to find out what's going
wrong.

Tell me, Volker, just what is it that makes you so much
smarter than us "stupid" U.S. citizens?


I KNOW that even the german government is lying all the way. The
difference is: in first place I do not believe anything our government
says, and I basically do NOT support our government.
Too many americans are following their government like blind sheeps :-(
It's not far away from taking it religous.
Ar least our (german) radiostations are independent from government.
Although they go wrong on some facts too. But they are smart enough to
to clear it up.

Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?

N8KDV schrieb:


Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave. I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:

Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave.

They were on 6005, perhaps other frequencies. I have a RIAS QSL from 1984
for the 6005 frequency.

I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Maybe you could look into it further to see if they are on shortwave. I
think they may have merged with another station/network?

N8KDV wrote:

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:

Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave.

They were on 6005, perhaps other frequencies. I have a RIAS QSL from 1984
for the 6005 frequency.

I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Maybe you could look into it further to see if they are on shortwave. I
think they may have merged with another station/network?

I re-read what you said and that may indeed be the case that the transmitter
site in Berlin proper may now be off.

Time flies! I thought that it may still have been on, though under a different
name.

So, I guess there are no SW transmitter on then from what would be considered
West Berlin in days past?

That's a shame as another NASWA country is then off shortwave.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:


Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave. I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Perhaps you still remember Checkpoint Charlie... I visited Berlin in the
late 70's. It was interesting seeing some of the places I had heard about
over the years.

A lot of history there, both very old, and of course more current.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

N8KDV schrieb:

Perhaps you still remember Checkpoint Charlie... I visited Berlin in the
late 70's. It was interesting seeing some of the places I had heard about
over the years.

A lot of history there, both very old, and of course more current.

I went to Berlin in spring of 1984 for employment reason.
I came (and I'm still coming) over a lot of interesting places in Berlin
at least due to my profession as plumper and heating installer on mobile
service.
My XYL had some relatives living in "eastern"-Berlin. We went to visit
them now and then. Every time it was a boring run through official
channels getting the permission.
Going on a "long weekend" vacation trip to "western" germany on the
'transit route' always began with a several hour stop at the 'Dreilinden
checkpoint' and a second stop when leaving GDR at 'Marienborn
checkpoint' as there were LOTS of people going to leave Berlin for a few
days. On normal road trffic you could pass the 115 miles through GDR
within 3 hours checkipoint passing included. But on such weekends it was
about 7 to 9 hours... had to go additional 250 miles when visiting my
own relatives near cologne.
My eldest son was born in september 1989 just a few weeks before the
wall felt down and I'm very happy my children can grow up in a city not
surrounded by walls and fences much more effective and dangerous than
the USA/Mexican border.
We like it very much to make a days trip to the 'eastern sea/baltic
sea'. Its just two and a half hours away. You could not even _think_
about such a trip before 1989...