Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today.

Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam
the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage.

On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE
LEFT) wrote:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will
win.

In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the
utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy
prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism. He also chose
to forgo congressional notification under the National Security Act
and the Arms Export Control Act.2 Having bypassed accountability to
Congress, the President failed either to establish an effective system
of accountability within the Administration or to monitor the series
of activities he authorized.3 Working in a climate of extreme secrecy
and operating without accountability, National Security Adviser John
M. Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver L. North of the National Security
Council staff and others associated with the initiative invited
criminal acts including profiteering on the Iranian arms sales, the
diversion of some of those proceeds to aid the contras, destroying
documents, and lying to Congress to cover up their criminal
activities.

2 See discussion on ``The Iran Hostage Initiative, 1985-1986'' later
in this chapter.

3 In his written answers to interrogatories requested by Independent
Counsel and the Grand Jury, Reagan stated that he did not monitor the
details of the Iran arms sales and had no specific knowledge of such
key matters as North's role or Secord's role. The President said he
did not authorize any profits from the sale of arms to Iran and that
he was unaware that there were excess proceeds and that some of them
were diverted to aid the contras.

When the Iran initiative was exposed on November 3, 1986, the
President convened a series of meetings with his top national security
advisers and permitted the creation of a false account of the Iran
arms sales to be disseminated to members of Congress and the American
people.4 These false accounts denied the President's knowledge and
authorization of the initial sales from Israeli stocks of U.S.-made
TOW and HAWK missiles to Iran in August, September and November of
1985. Attorney General Edwin Meese III and others were concerned that
those sales violated the Arms Export Control Act and the National
Security Act of 1947.5 Previously withheld notes by participants in
the November 12 and November 24, 1986, meetings constituted evidence
of an effort to cover up the true facts of the President's
authorization of the 1985 Iran arms sales. But the discovery of the
notes by Independent Counsel came too late to investigate effectively
and to prosecute the false statements involved.6 The passage of time,
claims of dimmed recollections and the running of the statute of
limitations protected the underlying acts.



On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote:

Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today.

Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam
the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage.

On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE
LEFT) wrote:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will
win.

DAVID,

Say what you will.

But that does not change the fact that anywhere from
2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say:

That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought
that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.]

I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats
to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak
a few Kind-Words now at his passing.

God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan
and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort
at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF
..
..
= = = David wrote in message
= = = . ..
In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the
utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy
prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism. He also chose
to forgo congressional notification under the National Security Act
and the Arms Export Control Act.2 Having bypassed accountability to
Congress, the President failed either to establish an effective system
of accountability within the Administration or to monitor the series
of activities he authorized.3 Working in a climate of extreme secrecy
and operating without accountability, National Security Adviser John
M. Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver L. North of the National Security
Council staff and others associated with the initiative invited
criminal acts including profiteering on the Iranian arms sales, the
diversion of some of those proceeds to aid the contras, destroying
documents, and lying to Congress to cover up their criminal
activities.

2 See discussion on ``The Iran Hostage Initiative, 1985-1986'' later
in this chapter.

3 In his written answers to interrogatories requested by Independent
Counsel and the Grand Jury, Reagan stated that he did not monitor the
details of the Iran arms sales and had no specific knowledge of such
key matters as North's role or Secord's role. The President said he
did not authorize any profits from the sale of arms to Iran and that
he was unaware that there were excess proceeds and that some of them
were diverted to aid the contras.

When the Iran initiative was exposed on November 3, 1986, the
President convened a series of meetings with his top national security
advisers and permitted the creation of a false account of the Iran
arms sales to be disseminated to members of Congress and the American
people.4 These false accounts denied the President's knowledge and
authorization of the initial sales from Israeli stocks of U.S.-made
TOW and HAWK missiles to Iran in August, September and November of
1985. Attorney General Edwin Meese III and others were concerned that
those sales violated the Arms Export Control Act and the National
Security Act of 1947.5 Previously withheld notes by participants in
the November 12 and November 24, 1986, meetings constituted evidence
of an effort to cover up the true facts of the President's
authorization of the 1985 Iran arms sales. But the discovery of the
notes by Independent Counsel came too late to investigate effectively
and to prosecute the false statements involved.6 The passage of time,
claims of dimmed recollections and the running of the statute of
limitations protected the underlying acts.



On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote:

Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today.

Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam
the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage.

On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE
LEFT) wrote:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will
win.

Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and has a very
inaccurate idea of what is really happening. This is the way they are
nurtured and trained from a very early age. Luckily, I am wired
differently and can see the machine.

I'm sure he was a very nice fellow, but the world was made a more
dangerous place under his watch and we are now dealing with his
mistakes.

On 7 Jun 2004 03:17:02 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

DAVID,

Say what you will.

But that does not change the fact that anywhere from
2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say:

That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought
that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.]

I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats
to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak
a few Kind-Words now at his passing.

God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan
and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort
at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF
.
.

David wrote:

Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and has a very
inaccurate idea of what is really happening. This is the way they are
nurtured and trained from a very early age. Luckily, I am wired
differently and can see the machine.

Yep, you Liberal's are just sooooo much smarter than anyone else.

Boggling!

= = = David wrote in message
= = = . ..

Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and
has a very inaccurate idea of what is really happening.

DAVID,

This is the Mind-Set of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST:
- Who Know That They Know It All !
- They are therefore are Oh So Superior to the common man
{the average American Citizen}.
- They look with distain on the avarage American Citizen.
- But it is the common man who is the strength and vitality of America.

It is the 'average' American Citizen who VOTES that cause these
Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST their bigest problem, they do NOT
'think' like them and do NOT "Vote" for them.

This is the way they are nurtured and trained from a very early age.

The simply reflect the Values of their Society and Culture,
for the are Americans and Love 'their' Country.

Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine.

Yes the Minds of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITISTs are wired differently.

~ RHF
..
..

I'm sure he was a very nice fellow, but the world was made a more
dangerous place under his watch and we are now dealing with his
mistakes.

On 7 Jun 2004 03:17:02 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

DAVID,

Say what you will.

But that does not change the fact that anywhere from
2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say:

That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought
that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.]

I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats
to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak
a few Kind-Words now at his passing.

God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan
and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort
at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF
.
.

DAVID,

Say what you will.

But that does not change the fact that anywhere from
2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say:

That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought
that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.]

I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats
to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak
a few Kind-Words now at his passing.

God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan
and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort
at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF
..
..
= = = David wrote in message
= = = . ..
Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today.

Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam
the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage.

On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE
LEFT) wrote:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will
win.

In article , curmudg@eon (Curmudgeon)
writes:


On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote:

Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today.

Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam
the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage.

And just like Ronald the Republicans can't recall any of it.

Greatest President my ASS.


http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh

" Part XI
Concluding Observations

The underlying facts of Iran/contra are that, regardless of criminality,
President Reagan, the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, and the
director of central intelligence and their necessary assistants committed
themselves, however reluctantly, to two programs contrary to congressional
policy and contrary to national policy.
They skirted the law, some of them broke the law, and almost all of them tried
to cover up the President's willful activities. "


Bush Sr. Pardoned them all.

Bush Jr. who might have " Outed " a U.S. Intelligence agent;
Just hired a Lawyer..

In article ,
(Curmudgeon Man) writes:

He was a bigger than life man with a quick warm smile and he made a great
figurehead. His popularity was probably mostly due to his acting career.


- Agree; an actor with a good speech writer... at the right time and the right
place
A Lifeguard in College,
All in all, probably not a bad guy;


He had the city of Berkely gassed by helicopters in the 60's. I don't think
there is anyone else that can make that claim. What a guy. LOL

- The Police herded ANYONE on the street; - bystanders, Postmen; Anyone
and arrested them; then went totally out of control...
had people crawl on their hands and knees
saying " we love the Blue Meanies"
( Yes, this was in The United States of America )

It was said, Reagn approved.

The fact that the Iran Hostages were released Just when he took office ..
and Everyone ( Bush included) said " Just Coincidence"
-No deals with Iran -
- And no one got punished for this still smears his image...

"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Curmudgeon Man) writes:

He was a bigger than life man with a quick warm smile and he made a great
figurehead. His popularity was probably mostly due to his acting career.


- Agree; an actor with a good speech writer... at the right time and the
right
place
A Lifeguard in College,
All in all, probably not a bad guy;


He had the city of Berkely gassed by helicopters in the 60's. I don't
think
there is anyone else that can make that claim. What a guy. LOL

- The Police herded ANYONE on the street; - bystanders, Postmen; Anyone
and arrested them; then went totally out of control...
had people crawl on their hands and knees
saying " we love the Blue Meanies"
( Yes, this was in The United States of America )

It was said, Reagn approved.

The fact that the Iran Hostages were released Just when he took office
...
and Everyone ( Bush included) said " Just Coincidence"
-No deals with Iran -
- And no one got punished for this still smears his image...

I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I
remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters
should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised
in..