Ed Price wrote:

"Dave Shrader" wrote:
The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?
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"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
news:JL8zb.7008$_M.27952@attbi_s54...
There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

ah.

Nice advice for pacifists and those having a lack of spine and
a yellow tint to the bellies.

Clint

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

So punish your friendly neighbors because some panel of 5 or so people are
dicks? When you come to my door after causing your interference to borrow a
tool, you'll get a big "**** OFF COCK SUCKER!!" Being an asshole to people
who didn't have anything to do with some busy body two streets over
shouldn't get treated like this. Anyone who does this to me will just mean
constant complaints to the FCC. The immediate cessation of my kids being
able to even look at your kids. Not helping you in any way shape or form.
The list goes on and on. If anyone here has a ham who acts like this, form
a "**** you!" circle of like neighbors (those of us who didn't complain, etc
about the tower) and treat the ham like the ass he/she is. Then in 10 years
when the for sale sign goes up, remember to kindly give the finger to anyone
stopping by to look at the house. Also it might be time to start the junk
car collection. Keep proof that the home owners association allows for
rules to be bent. Then pool money for a lawyer saying that since they allow
for x, y, and z they damn sure are going to allow for a, b, and c.

In article ,
says...
Hello All!

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An
article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The
article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too
good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you
might find a copy in your local library.

In essence he says that the:

"...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof
and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy
neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local
governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies."

Want to know how? Here is the URL:

www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have
erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should
not be that difficult to do...

Apparently you didn't read the page to which you referred in your
message. OTARD covers video receiving antennas, like those from DirecTV
or Dish Network. It does NOT cover "big, honking" antennas such as
those for amateur radio. To quote from the FCC's website:

-=-=-

The rule applies to the following types of video antennas:

(1) A "dish" antenna that is one meter (39.37") or less in diameter (or
any size dish if located in Alaska) and is designed to receive direct
broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service,
or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite.

(2) An antenna that is one meter or less in diameter or diagonal
measurement and is designed to receive video programming services via
MMDS (wireless cable) or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals
other than via satellite.

(3) An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast
signals. Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to
local permitting requirements.

In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on "masts" to
reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality
signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view
the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be
subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further,
masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by
this rule.

-=-=-

For that, you have to look to PRB-1, but the FCC says that does not
apply to deed restrictions (CC&Rs). There is legislation before
Congress at present to extend PRB-1's authority to CC&Rs as well as
local governments, but it has yet to be passed by Congress and be signed
into law by the President.

I doubt very seriously that you can convince any HOA that your tri-
bander beam is needed for receiving TV signals. A better, and more
honest, approach would be to explain to them how actively involved you
are with your local ARES or RACES group -- you ARE, aren't you? -- and
how vital a resource you can be if you have the necessary capabilities
to provide communications in the event of an emergency. Also:

- make your request reasonable
- offer to show them your station at home
- enlighten them as to what it is that ham radio is all about
- ensure they understand the difference between ham radio and CB
- assure them that they won't be opening up the neighborhood to
complaints about interference
- don't plan on running a kilowatt linear, as you will be
guaranteed to cause at least some interference with that much
wattage (with buildings as close to one another as you have in
most condo associations, you'll find that anything more than
250 watts is going to guarantee some complaints)

You know, the usual stuff. Right now I have a very agreeable
relationship with my HOA at home. I live in a condo in Fountain Valley,
CA. Our CC&Rs allow for an antenna mast attached to the chimney, not
more than eight feet above the highest point of the house. I can use
that to support the center of my G5RV when I can get up there to remount
it, plus I will be putting a discone atop that mast for VHF/UHF
communications and to feed signals to my scanner. I've had a shorty
G5RV up at home for the past couple of years, not mounted in the optimum
configuration but it does a fair job -- and I've never had a TVI/RFI
complaint in all that time. Using QRP power levels helps, of course,
but even with 100 watts I didn't have any problems.

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Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
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