wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not right.

wrote:
Midwest Kid wrote:

You people amaze me. If you don't like
covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The reason for the rules
are to keep everything in check. (snip)

WHO are you to tell me or someone else
what you consider is "in check" or not? You
deal with your property and the rest of us
shall deal with ours. Your starting to sound
like your on the board of some HOA who
enjoys telling their neighbors what they can
and cannot do on THEIR property. (snip)


It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours. These homeowners associations, which are,
in effect, a new layer of government, don't act in a democratic manner and
neither respect, nor even clearly recognize, people's rights.

Instead, these homeowners associations remind me of the communist party
committees found in neighborhoods throughout the former Soviet Union before
it's collapse. Like these homeowners associations, those committees made
neighborhood rules and insured area residents complied with those rules. The
Soviet people gained freedoms after the fall of the Soviet Union and it's
many committees. The American people are losing freedoms as these homeowners
associations, and their CC&Rs, spread.

Some here have advocated just avoiding these homeowners associations, and
their CC&Rs, by moving elsewhere. While that may be a temporary fix (serves
their own self-interests at the moment), I'm sure many in the Soviet Union
thought the same when they first saw the spread of those communist party
committees. But, without open resistence by all, there was no place left to
avoid those committees within just a few years. I sincerely hope the same
cannot be said by young people about these homeowners associations in the
not so distant future. However, everything I've seen suggests that is a
clear possibility.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not right.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklins retort to the PHOA
Philadelphia HomeOwners Ass

They told old Ben to go fly a kite !!

From The Antenna In The Wilderness

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...


It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours. These homeowners associations, which
are,
in effect, a new layer of government, don't act in a democratic manner
and
neither respect, nor even clearly recognize, people's rights.


[snip]

If respecting people's rights was entirely consistant with human nature,
nobody would have considered writing a few of them down in the various
governmental Constitutions.

So, have many Homeowner's Associations dissolved themselves and handed
their responsibilities to a municipal government?

Frank Dresser

I spent five years on the board of, and two years as the president of, a 721
home development board of directors. We had a few blowhards who, like many in
here, told us to go to hell and parked cars on blocks and the like.

It wasn't rocket science. We voted a 30 day "take it away or go to court." We
were impolitely told to go to hell. We didn't go to hell, we went to court.
Not a big deal. Between the court costs and our lawyer's fees, the blowhard had
a thousand dollar junk car project to remove. Three or four cases like that in
the first couple of years and things got remarkably quiet, and we all got along
like neighbors respecting the wishes of each other.

I took perverse satisfaction in stringing copper tape under the eaves of the
house, strangely just long enough to make a quarter wave dipole for forty
meters. But it was painted with exactly the same shade that the eaves were
painted, run with a quarter-gallon with adequate filtering, matched to the n'th
degree, and worked the world on everything from forty on up. You could walk
right up to it and not detect that there was an antenna of any sort.

Not to mention the 2-meter groundplane disguised as a chimney strap. Painted
wrought-iron black and strangely so, 19 inches long. Coax? Run down a mortar
seam and painted mortar grey. From five feet away, it was indistinguishable
from the mortar.

I laugh at you blowhards telling us how you will do what you damn well please
when and where you damn well please to do it. I note that none of you have
tried it.

Clever works. Big mouths don't. And, if you don't like the rules, either don't
move in or once you move in then try to change them. If a majority of your
neighbors agree, it is changed. That's the way I learned that this country
works.

Jim





"Midwest Kid"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
wrote in message ...
- WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
- or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
- ours.
-
If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
-rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
-real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
-up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
-everything.
Jim Weir, VP Eng. RST Eng. WX6RST
A&P, CFI, and other good alphabet soup

Got the kid part right.


"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:Zx1yb.253283$275.924957@attbi_s53...

wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham
puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he
takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not
right.

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
I spent five years on the board of, and two years as the president of,
a 721
home development board of directors. We had a few blowhards who, like
many in
here, told us to go to hell and parked cars on blocks and the like.

It wasn't rocket science. We voted a 30 day "take it away or go to
court." We
were impolitely told to go to hell. We didn't go to hell, we went to
court.
Not a big deal. Between the court costs and our lawyer's fees, the
blowhard had
a thousand dollar junk car project to remove.

"take it away or go to court."? This looks a bit like a small minded
battle of the wills between Mr. BH and the Homeowner's Association. But
I could easily be wrong. Did the Homeowner's Association give the car
owners the option of fixing the cars? Did the Homeowner's Association
ask for volenteers to help make the cars safe and reliable? A few guys
who know what they are doing can get alot done in 30 day's spare time.
It would be a neighborly offer to make.


Three or four cases like that in
the first couple of years and things got remarkably quiet, and we all
got along
like neighbors respecting the wishes of each other.




I took perverse satisfaction in stringing copper tape under the eaves
of the
house, strangely just long enough to make a quarter wave dipole for
forty
meters. But it was painted with exactly the same shade that the eaves
were
painted, run with a quarter-gallon with adequate filtering, matched to
the n'th
degree, and worked the world on everything from forty on up. You
could walk
right up to it and not detect that there was an antenna of any sort.

Not to mention the 2-meter groundplane disguised as a chimney strap.
Painted
wrought-iron black and strangely so, 19 inches long. Coax? Run down
a mortar
seam and painted mortar grey. From five feet away, it was
indistinguishable
from the mortar.


I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
formula for such things?



I laugh at you blowhards telling us how you will do what you damn well
please
when and where you damn well please to do it. I note that none of you
have
tried it.


No sir. Not me. I'd much rather discuss things politely rather than
start telling people what to do.



Clever works. Big mouths don't. And, if you don't like the rules,
either don't
move in or once you move in then try to change them. If a majority of
your
neighbors agree, it is changed. That's the way I learned that this
country
works.

Jim



Sometimes those meddlesome courts think the country works differently.
They said the CC&Rs which prohibit a seller from selling his property to
Blacks or Jews or Mexicans or any group in particular can't be enforced.
I suppose it had something or other to do with civil rights. The
Homeowner's Association can still regulate the color of the neighbor's
house, if not the color of the neighbors.

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-"take it away or go to court."? This looks a bit like a small minded
-battle of the wills between Mr. BH and the Homeowner's Association. But
-I could easily be wrong. Did the Homeowner's Association give the car
-owners the option of fixing the cars? Did the Homeowner's Association
-ask for volenteers to help make the cars safe and reliable? A few guys
-who know what they are doing can get alot done in 30 day's spare time.
-It would be a neighborly offer to make.

The automobile could stay in the open carport for 30 days while being repaired
(and there was no prohibition against working outside) or 30 days out of
license. After that, the vehicle was in violation of the nuisance/eyesore part
of the regs. There were also loopholes that allowed vehicles of obvious
historical or antique interest more time while in the process of restoration.
There was no contest of wills; the feller had the mindset of a few in this
conversation who had absolutely no intention of abiding by what he signed. And
we DID, by the way, require any real estate agent peddling property in the
project to give the prospective owner a copy of the current regulations PRIOR to
signing any binding contract.

We also had the local 8th grade students read the regulations and any proposed
amendments. If half of the students couldn't tell us exactly what the
regulation said, it went back to the lawyer for rewrite at the lawyer's expense.


-
-
- Three or four cases like that in
- the first couple of years and things got remarkably quiet, and we all
-got along
- like neighbors respecting the wishes of each other.
-
-
-
-I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
-formula for such things?

Nope. And the primary purpose in my mind was NOT a reduction in property
values. After having been a ham, elmer, and examiner for damn near 50 years, I
still find a huge tower with beam in a small-lot residential neighborhood ugly.



-
-
-No sir. Not me. I'd much rather discuss things politely rather than
-start telling people what to do.

We discussed politely but firmly. We didn't tell anybody what to do. We simply
explained what the man already knew and said what we intended to do about it.
There was no telling anybody anything.


-
-
-Sometimes those meddlesome courts think the country works differently.
-They said the CC&Rs which prohibit a seller from selling his property to
-Blacks or Jews or Mexicans or any group in particular can't be enforced.
-I suppose it had something or other to do with civil rights. The
-Homeowner's Association can still regulate the color of the neighbor's
-house, if not the color of the neighbors.


Jesus. Can we spell b i g o t ?????


Jim



Jim Weir, VP Eng. RST Eng. WX6RST
A&P, CFI, and other good alphabet soup

"Frank Dresser"
-
-I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
-formula for such things?


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO impact on
property values. They also have data showing that, in general, property
values are rising faster in areas without CCRs & HOAs than in areas with
them.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE