On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:18:09 GMT, "CW"
wrote:

Anytime I hear that statement I just right of the person saying it as an
idiot. I haven't been wrong on that one yet.

Hehehe... You never truly own a home. Even when the mortgage is
finally paid off, all you've done is paid off the bank. Now that you
officially "own" your home, just try not paying the taxes, insurance
or garbage pickup / snowplowing fees. See how long you own it for...
g

BTW, I just love those artificial municipal fees... I was forced to
pay $150 per year for snow plowing fees in a community where it snowed
maybe once or twice a year and usually not more than an inch at most!
Most years they never plowed a single road. My particular street
NEVER saw a snow plow in the 20 years my family lived there.

At least there wasn't an HOA or covenants to deal with. I could have
a rooftop antenna. In fact even after several neighbors put up
antennas (total: 2 CB'ers, several houses with vhf/uhf TV antennas,
and myself with a several vhf/uhf Yagi's and a SWL random-wire running
the length of the roof), our assessments continued to rise, not go
down. My chain-link fence actually made my home more valuable when I
sold it a decade ago, though that was probably just a quirk of the
buyer. g

-jack-

"WilleeCue" wrote in message
. ..
The great American spoof is "home ownership".
If you ever think you really "own" your home just stop paying money for it
and see what happens!



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"Jack" wrote in message
...

You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own.

I agree with your assessment of HOAs. They are usually worse that the
government with all their rules and regulations. However, I also find it
sickening that grown adults will enter into a contract and then whine about
not being able to violate the contract. With covenants, the rules are not
weighted. They are all equal. If someone put up an antenna and I or
someone else complained and they made an 'exception', then I would quit
cutting my grass and get a lawyer (if I had too) for my exception. I think
many of these problems come from areas where housing costs to damn much. I
live in the Indy area. Rural homes can be had for $100K for decent to $140K
and you can get a lot of that. The only thing is that you will have to
drive 10 miles to a mall and restaurants. That is why a lot of people
complain because they want to have their cake and eat it too. If every
addition in the yuppie suburban county near 'x' city has covenants....DO NOT
LIVE THERE!! If ham and short-wave is that important in your life, get a
Honda and just put up with the extra 10 miles you have to drive to work. I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!). However, 1/4 mile away on some of
the older farm homes...antennas would be bad at all.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:22:55 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:

snip

I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!).

I take it that you don't have anti-antenna covenants in your
neighborhood. Why don't you simply move to a closed-gate community
where the antennas you don't like are restricted instead of being an a
total jerkazoid?

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

-jack-

"Jack" wrote in message
...

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

There are no rules. If someone puts up a huge antenna in our
neighborhood....fine. I will then put up something that looks just as
stupid. Many of the people in my area who have huge antennas usually live
more rural and don't live in an addition. I am also only talking about
these super high antennas. A very small antenna wouldn't bother me too
much. Thing is that if I decided to make my yard an antenna field and put
about 3-4 high antennas on my roof to cover everything, then ham wouldn't
care. However, something tells me that if he/she had to sell their home
they would take down their antenna first and ask me to do the same if a
realtor said my antennas were driving potential buyers away. That's the
hypocrisy I don't like.

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

And why should people who don't want
antennas surround their house have to
move miles away? (snip)


Never met such a person.


Why should people who want to sit 3 cars
on blocks have to move miles away?


City ordanances often cover that situation - no CC&R or Homeowners
Association required.


(snip) That way I can see just how tall some
wild weeds can grow in my front yard. (snip)


City ordanances often cover that situation - no CC&R or Homeowners
Association required.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

I work as a Title Examiner, so this is right
up my alley. Many, many homeowners take
ownership of a property in "fee simple,
subject to reservations, easements, and
covenants of record, if any," and don't inform
themselves about what those reservations
(read: Restrictive Covenants) really are.
They're just words on a piece of paper, and
these contracturally obligating encumbrances
are effectuated by conveyance, in other words,
they have the power of the law, even though
they don't appear on the deed.

In other words, you have two pieces of paper:
The deed, which makes a glancing reference
to restrictions "if any," and the actual restrictions,
which are filed with the County Recorder or
Registrar of Titles. More people than you can
imagine are getting hoodwinked, Dennis. (snip)


You've got that right. A friend was even show a list of restrictions when
he purchased a house, only to be handed another list as he was moving in
(from the Homeowners Association). Most of the restrictions were the same,
but several more had been added. When he talked to his lawyer, he was told
the wording of the sale made those restrictions enforceable.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"WilleeCue" wrote:
If that is the case then you sir are not doing
your job representing the public. If you know
there is someing shady going on you are
obgliated to speak out in defense of the public
or let someone else that will have the job.


As far as I know, it's not his job to review the overall business
transaction.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Jack" wrote:

BTW, I just love those artificial municipal fees...
I was forced to pay $150 per year for snow
plowing fees in a community where it snowed
maybe once or twice a year and usually not
more than an inch at most! Most years they
never plowed a single road. My particular street
NEVER saw a snow plow in the 20 years my
family lived there.


On a side note, something similar could be said about related city or town
taxes. Many years ago, the city here started collecting taxes to subsidize
curb-side garbage pick-up. Those taxes were raised many times over the
years. A few years ago, the city decided to end that service, requiring
residents who want garbage pick-up to pay for it themselves. Of course, as
you can guess, the taxes supporting that were never stopped. We're still
paying those same taxes today, but the money is simply being used for
something else.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...

City ordanances often cover that situation - no CC&R or Homeowners
Association required.

Many additions in my area are not in the city. The only county requirement
is to cut your yard one time a year. No county rule about having junk cars
in your driveway either. CC&R is what keeps the new neighborhoods have nice
yards. We have one trashy family that lived in our addition that would
never cut their grass and had junk cars just sitting. That is just as worse
as those people who put up their ugly antennas. If I move into a
neighborhood where antennas are banned and my neighbor uses a new law to put
one up, mine will go up as soon as he takes his down and his 4-sale sign
goes up. Hope it doesn't cause some possible buyer to reconsider due to the
stupid looking antenna towering above in the neighbors yard. Funny thing is
that if a few people said why they didn't buy, I wonder if this die hard ham
would have the balls to actually ask me to take it down until he sold the
home. I think such a person would...they usually are only out for
themselves.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:33:22 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:


"Jack" wrote in message
.. .

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

There are no rules. If someone puts up a huge antenna in our
neighborhood....fine. I will then put up something that looks just as
stupid. Many of the people in my area who have huge antennas usually live
more rural and don't live in an addition. I am also only talking about
these super high antennas. A very small antenna wouldn't bother me too
much. Thing is that if I decided to make my yard an antenna field and put
about 3-4 high antennas on my roof to cover everything, then ham wouldn't

I shot this from my neighbor's back yard on the 13th of this month
(Nov 2003)
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower30.htm

I had to get a building permit for a tower this size and it had to
conform to the proper engineering standards. (the guy anchors weigh
17,000# each. The lower guys are 4,000# working strength and the top
set are over 6,000).

I'm the only ham in the subdivision and within one and a half to two
miles that has a tower up. I've never received an RFI complaint with
the exception of one neighbor having a foot ball party in their garage
and the TV set had rabbit ears. I gave them a spare antenna for the
set in their garage. It's a good neighborhood except for one guy (5
houses away) who has one of those big mercury vapor lights on the face
of a small shed that serves as a reflector and shines right into out
back yard. So much for the Amateur Astronomy.

care. However, something tells me that if he/she had to sell their home
they would take down their antenna first and ask me to do the same if a
realtor said my antennas were driving potential buyers away. That's the
hypocrisy I don't like.

It's not likely to happen around here. People are far more worried
about the county wanting to build a *big* jail about 300 yards to the
south. One neighbor directly south of me and east of the spot where I
shot the photo had their property appraised to refinance. The realtor
dropped their appraised value by $10,000 and specifically stated it
was due to the *likely hood* of the jail across the road. So much for
the county telling us it won't affect out property values.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com