On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:42:32 GMT, Fred Bloggs
wrote:



Wes Stewart wrote:


28-628. Rights of real property owners

This chapter does not prevent the owner of real property that is used
by the public for purposes of vehicular travel by permission of the
owner and not as a matter of right from:

1. Prohibiting that use.

2. Requiring other, different or additional conditions than those
specified in this chapter.

3. Otherwise regulating the use as deemed best by the owner.

In other words, I get to regulate the speed (I've posted it as 10
MPH). I have no power to fine UPS, but I can still cost them money.

You are not reading the wording carefully; it is the "not as a matter of
right from" that you are missing. It very well may be a matter of right
if the private road is co-owned by the other property holders and this
ownership allows them the right to transact business in the way of
receiving deliveries as they choose.

Gray area. The road is not co-owned by the other property owners. At
least my deed doesn't say a thing about me co-owning a piece of the
property between the public street and me.

Besides, I'm not going to stop the delivery, I'm just going to do some
"traffic calming" when the truch is leaving.

What you're trying to tell me is that I've given up complete control
of an easement and if the truck drivers want to go 100 MPH I have no
say in the matter. If I were to call the Sheriff's office I'd be
told, "It's private property, we can't do a thing." If I asked the
county to grade it I would be told to kiss off. If someone got hurt
on the easement, I would be liable. When I bought the place the title
company had a hissy fit because there wasn't a road maintenance
agreement in place. It took the appraiser writing something to the
effect that this was a typical situation in this area, and that each
property owner maintained the road on his easement, before the company
would issue title insurance.

Sounds to me like I do have some say so over the property.

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...

Gray area. The road is not co-owned by the other property owners. At
least my deed doesn't say a thing about me co-owning a piece of the
property between the public street and me.

Besides, I'm not going to stop the delivery, I'm just going to do some
"traffic calming" when the truch is leaving.

What you're trying to tell me is that I've given up complete control
of an easement and if the truck drivers want to go 100 MPH I have no
say in the matter. If I were to call the Sheriff's office I'd be
told, "It's private property, we can't do a thing." If I asked the
county to grade it I would be told to kiss off. If someone got hurt
on the easement, I would be liable. When I bought the place the title
company had a hissy fit because there wasn't a road maintenance
agreement in place. It took the appraiser writing something to the
effect that this was a typical situation in this area, and that each
property owner maintained the road on his easement, before the company
would issue title insurance.

Sounds to me like I do have some say so over the property.


Wes,

Since you have to maintain your portion of the easement, why not build
some "road humps" so the delivery trucks have to slow down or risk
having to resort all the parcels in the back?

--
James T. White

Because road humps expose you to liability for that sort of stuff...like
wheel alignments and the like due to the fact that there is no national or
regional standard for "road humps". Trust me, I'm in a court case like this
right now and nobody can present evidence for the correct design of "road
humps".

Jim


Since you have to maintain your portion of the easement, why not build
some "road humps" so the delivery trucks have to slow down or risk
having to resort all the parcels in the back?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:09:39 -0800, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

Because road humps expose you to liability for that sort of stuff...like
wheel alignments and the like due to the fact that there is no national or
regional standard for "road humps". Trust me, I'm in a court case like this
right now and nobody can present evidence for the correct design of "road
humps".

Jim


Since you have to maintain your portion of the easement, why not build
some "road humps" so the delivery trucks have to slow down or risk
having to resort all the parcels in the back?


There are speed bumps all over this valley on CITY-maintained streets,
as well as speed bumps in many shopping centers.

Since I've not heard of a suit, you might look into Arizona law as to
what's legal and extrapolate to your situation.

BTW, Scottsdale also uses tight-ass round-abouts to slow traffic...
you have to slow or you'll rollover.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
BTW, Scottsdale also uses tight-ass round-abouts to slow traffic...
you have to slow or you'll rollover.

Can you give me the address of such an intersection? I'd like to look at
some on google maps for background on a local street-improvement project.

In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Richard Henry wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
BTW, Scottsdale also uses tight-ass round-abouts to slow traffic...
you have to slow or you'll rollover.

Can you give me the address of such an intersection? I'd like to look at
some on google maps for background on a local street-improvement project.

Google for "chicane"; that's the generic name for tight wiggle-like
features built into roads and streets to force traffic to slow down.

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO

Tired old sysadmin

"Mike Andrews" wrote in message
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In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Richard Henry wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
BTW, Scottsdale also uses tight-ass round-abouts to slow traffic...
you have to slow or you'll rollover.

Can you give me the address of such an intersection? I'd like to look
at
some on google maps for background on a local street-improvement
project.

Google for "chicane"; that's the generic name for tight wiggle-like
features built into roads and streets to force traffic to slow down.

Our local problem is a street that is normally lightly-travelled, but gets
congested during the morning and afternoon because of traffic to/from the
high school. The city has proposed widening the whole length (it varies
from 50-year-old twisty 2-lane to modern 6-lane boulevard over the stretch
in question) and a local group has proposed traffic circles at 4 critical
interrsections.

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:53:36 -0800, "Richard Henry"
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
BTW, Scottsdale also uses tight-ass round-abouts to slow traffic...
you have to slow or you'll rollover.

Can you give me the address of such an intersection? I'd like to look at
some on google maps for background on a local street-improvement project.


Google Earth...

Intersection of Cholla St. and 68th St., Scottsdale, AZ 85254

LAT 33.589390°

LON -111.935610°

There are quite a few of this type in Scottsdale and in Carefree/Cave
Creek, AZ.

Phoenix tends toward speed bumps, but is also looking into
round-abouts.

Scroll a few blocks SW from there to the NW corner of Desert Cove and
66th St., and you'll see the acre I lived on from 1969 to 1994.

I always referred to the Cholla/68th St. intersection as the "drunk
catcher", because there's a dip there as well... rain drain channel
;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
snip
Google Earth...

Intersection of Cholla St. and 68th St., Scottsdale, AZ 85254

LAT 33.589390°

LON -111.935610°

There are quite a few of this type in Scottsdale and in Carefree/Cave
Creek, AZ.

Phoenix tends toward speed bumps, but is also looking into
round-abouts.

Scroll a few blocks SW from there to the NW corner of Desert Cove and
66th St., and you'll see the acre I lived on from 1969 to 1994.

I always referred to the Cholla/68th St. intersection as the "drunk
catcher", because there's a dip there as well... rain drain channel
;-)

...Jim Thompson

Anyone point me to how do you enter Latitude and Longitude into Google
Earth?

Regards
Ian

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:53:36 -0800, "Richard Henry"
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
BTW, Scottsdale also uses tight-ass round-abouts to slow traffic...
you have to slow or you'll rollover.

Can you give me the address of such an intersection? I'd like to look at
some on google maps for background on a local street-improvement project.

http://trafficcalming.org/