"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

Also please let me know which
dictionary you are using. (snip)


Princeton University's WordNet...

http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/~wn/

Click on "Use WordNet Online," enter "mandate," and scroll down to the
verbs.


(snip) I've checked several and
for the verb meaning your number
2 does not appear.


Then you should perhaps find a better dictionary. WordNet is an online
lexical (dictionary) reference system developed by the Cognitive Science
Laboratory at Princeton University. The project was funded in part by a
grant from the National Science Foundation and has been reviewed positively
by linguistics researchers at MIT, Yale, Cambridge, Oxford, and numerous
other universities.


Language is a tool that must be used
correctly to convey the intended
meaning. One should never operate
on the basis that "you know what I
mean" as sooner or later that gets a
person in trouble.


Thanks for the lecture, Dee. However, I used the correct word for the
intended meaning.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

Also please let me know which
dictionary you are using. (snip)


Princeton University's WordNet...

http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/~wn/

Click on "Use WordNet Online," enter "mandate," and scroll down to the
verbs.


(snip) I've checked several and
for the verb meaning your number
2 does not appear.


Then you should perhaps find a better dictionary. WordNet is an online
lexical (dictionary) reference system developed by the Cognitive Science
Laboratory at Princeton University. The project was funded in part by a
grant from the National Science Foundation and has been reviewed
positively
by linguistics researchers at MIT, Yale, Cambridge, Oxford, and numerous
other universities.


Merriam Webster is a well respected source as are the others that I checked.

However, here you go and Part 97 does NONE of these. Your usage is still
incorrect.

http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-...mandate&posnum
ber=2&searchtypenumber=2&senses=&showglosses=1

Results for "Synonyms, ordered by estimated frequency" search of verb
"mandate"


3 senses of mandate

Sense 1
mandate -- (assign under a mandate; "mandate a colony")
= delegate, designate, depute, assign -- (give an assignment to (a
person) to a post, or assign a task to (a person))

Sense 2
mandate -- (make mandatory; "the new director of the schoolbaord mandated
regular tests")
= order, prescribe, dictate -- (issue commands or orders for)

Sense 3
mandate -- (assign authority to)
= delegate, designate, depute, assign -- (give an assignment to (a
person) to a post, or assign a task to (a person))


Even sense 3 would be a requirement as when one is given an assignment, you
are supposed to carry that assigment. It is not just a suggestion or
desireable activity. If a person or group does not carry through on an
assignment, then that assignment is given to a group who will.

I repeat, Part 97 does NOT mandate in any way shape or form that amateurs
participate in public service.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

(snip) Even sense 3 would be a
requirement as when one is given an
assignment, you are supposed to
carry that assigment. It is not just a
suggestion or desireable activity. If
a person or group does not carry
through on an assignment, then that
assignment is given to a group who
will.


Dee, I've repeatedly explained to you what was meant by the word mandate.
Nothing is required or mandatory in the context used. Likewise, without a
stated obligation, there is nothing required or mandatory in giving an
assignment or task to someone (or in giving authorization to someone). If
you still cannot understand this, I suggest you look carefully at the words
"mandate," "assigns," "authorization," and so on, including the synonyms. I
have nothing more to say on the matter.


I repeat, Part 97 does NOT mandate
in any way shape or form that amateurs
participate in public service.


Sorry, but public service is at the very heart of the basic and purpose of
the Amateur Radio Service (as described in 97.1). And, while there is
nothing mandatory about it, the mandate (authorization) to do so still
remains. Likewise, I have nothing more to say on this matter.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

(snip) Even sense 3 would be a
requirement as when one is given an
assignment, you are supposed to
carry that assigment. It is not just a
suggestion or desireable activity. If
a person or group does not carry
through on an assignment, then that
assignment is given to a group who
will.


Dee, I've repeatedly explained to you what was meant by the word
mandate.
Nothing is required or mandatory in the context used. Likewise, without a
stated obligation, there is nothing required or mandatory in giving an
assignment or task to someone (or in giving authorization to someone). If
you still cannot understand this, I suggest you look carefully at the
words
"mandate," "assigns," "authorization," and so on, including the synonyms.
I
have nothing more to say on the matter.


I repeat, Part 97 does NOT mandate
in any way shape or form that amateurs
participate in public service.


Sorry, but public service is at the very heart of the basic and purpose
of
the Amateur Radio Service (as described in 97.1). And, while there is
nothing mandatory about it, the mandate (authorization) to do so still
remains. Likewise, I have nothing more to say on this matter.


Again nothing in Part 97 gives amateurs a mandate in any sense of the
meaning of the word. It does NOT in any section of Part 97 authorize us to
do or assign us to do public service. So you remain wrong. I've just
finished reviewing Part 97 and it's not there. In 97.1 it is "recognition
and enhancement of the value..". That is not a mandate, that is not
authorization, that is not an assignment. It is a way of justifying
allowing us to continue to have the frequencies and privileges that we enjoy
but that is not a mandate.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

(snip) Even sense 3 would be a
requirement as when one is given an
assignment, you are supposed to
carry that assigment. It is not just a
suggestion or desireable activity. If
a person or group does not carry
through on an assignment, then that
assignment is given to a group who
will.


Dee, I've repeatedly explained to you what was meant by the word
mandate.
Nothing is required or mandatory in the context used. Likewise, without a
stated obligation, there is nothing required or mandatory in giving an
assignment or task to someone (or in giving authorization to someone). If
you still cannot understand this, I suggest you look carefully at the
words
"mandate," "assigns," "authorization," and so on, including the synonyms.
I
have nothing more to say on the matter.


I repeat, Part 97 does NOT mandate
in any way shape or form that amateurs
participate in public service.


Sorry, but public service is at the very heart of the basic and purpose
of
the Amateur Radio Service (as described in 97.1). And, while there is
nothing mandatory about it, the mandate (authorization) to do so still
remains. Likewise, I have nothing more to say on this matter.


Again nothing in Part 97 gives amateurs a mandate in any sense of the
meaning of the word. It does NOT in any section of Part 97 authorize us to
do or assign us to do public service. So you remain wrong. I've just
finished reviewing Part 97 and it's not there. In 97.1 it is "recognition
and enhancement of the value..". That is not a mandate, that is not
authorization, that is not an assignment. It is a way of justifying
allowing us to continue to have the frequencies and privileges that we enjoy
but that is not a mandate.

We will all laminate your words and keep them in our wallets...
especially for the next morseperson demanding that morse
code testing be kept for similar reasons... :-)

WMD

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

And, while there is nothing mandatory about it,
the mandate (authorization) to do so still
remains.

Dwight, do you read and understand what you write prior to mashing the
send button?

If there is nothing mandat(ory) about something, how can it be a
mandate?

A mandate is a command, *requiring* a certain action.

An authorization is a grant of permission, but does not *require* an
action.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Hans K0HB" wrote:

Dwight, do you read and understand
what you write prior to mashing the
send button?

If there is nothing mandat(ory) about
something, how can it be a mandate?


Mandatory is only one definition, or contextual sense, of the word
"mandate," Hans. There are others.


An authorization is a grant of
permission, but does not
*require* an action.


A mandate does not always "require" action. For example, a people can give
a mandate to their elected leaders, but those leaders are not required to
follow it. For example, the people can give a president a mandate to raise
taxes to finance schools, but he can finance those schools some other way.
In that sense, the people have their president an authorization to act, not
a requirement he must follow.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Hans K0HB" wrote:

Dwight, do you read and understand
what you write prior to mashing the
send button?

If there is nothing mandat(ory) about
something, how can it be a mandate?


Mandatory is only one definition, or contextual sense, of the word
"mandate," Hans. There are others.


An authorization is a grant of
permission, but does not
*require* an action.


A mandate does not always "require" action. For example, a people can
give
a mandate to their elected leaders, but those leaders are not required to
follow it. For example, the people can give a president a mandate to raise
taxes to finance schools, but he can finance those schools some other way.
In that sense, the people have their president an authorization to act,
not
a requirement he must follow.



So quote the exact words from Part 97 that give us an authorization to do
public service. There is none. So regarding the FCC rules you have misused
the term.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE