"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
k.net...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

Your usage is still incorrect. There
is nothing in Part 97 that assigns
authority to hams to do public
service either. I've read part 97
from beginning to end. (snip)


Then you either cannot read or cannot understand what you've read.
Regardless, if you truly feel Part 97 does not authorize us to do public
service, then I simply don't have the time to convince you otherwise.

Since no one is prohibited from doing public service, no authorization is
needed. However, if one wishes to use ham frequencies, they have to have
license but that is an authorization to operate specified frequencies not an
authorization to do public service.

If you will read 97.1, Basis and Purpose, it only lists recognition of and
encouragement of public service as one part of the basis and purpose. That
does not confer any type of mandate or authorization to the amateur to do
public service. It is a recognition of what we do and the value of what we
do. It is a good and solid justification to use for the continued existence
of amateur radio. Nothing more.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

That gives him absolute permission to behave as an

[expletive deleted]

off the radio.

Better than behaving that way *on* the ham bands. Which some of us are, and
lenover21 is not.

No problem.

That tells us what behavior lenover21 seeks to inspire in others...

Again with the profanities, Lennie?

Why are you surprised, Steve? Have you not read the same sort of thing over and
over from the same source? Why would you expect anything different from the
person whose idea of "civil debate" is displayed in his post
of October 28, 2003, when he wrote (these are lenover21's words, not mine!):

"Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English."

He told a lot about himself in that post..


73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
Date: 8 Jan 2004 08:32:16 -0800

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:


I don't live in newsgroups...(SNIP)

Sure you do.

No. I already TOLD you where.

Geez, check it out with MapQuest if you've forgetten how to read a map.

(UNSNIP)...nor do I look to the computer to give me
either acceptance or love or respect.

Good for you. The computer is an inanimate object.

Poor baby. It's your Entrance to Fantasyland, a dimension of sight
and sound. The signpost up ahead...The Twilight Zone!

However the people you hope to snowjob with your wisdom and wit
aren't, and unfortuantely for you, you've completely ruined your
credibility, regardless of how "smart" you may really be.

tsk, tsk, tsk, stebe, got a tummy ache from all your sour grapes
wine?

:-)

Check the ARRL pages. They might have some official Tums for sale.
[shipping charges extra].


Sorry Lennie. Repeat that over and over if you care to, but the
facts are that there are still thousands of pages of archived RRAP
fodder wherein you've been caught with your britches down over and
over.

"Fodder?" :-)

"Hello muddah, hello fodder?" :-)

Feel free to reprint every single one of them, over and over and over
again. Your freedom. Your fantasyland. No raddio kopps gonna
haul you away and give you a dishonorable discharge from ham radio.

Have fun "taking your revenge" on those who won't agree with you.

That's a popular pastime in here. :-)

So far you've not been able to "force" me to do anything, not even
with vague "threats" of some sort of veiled physical harm. Acting
the bully in here only demonstrates what bullies do. This isn't a
"personal battleground" that must be totally occupied by your
personal perceived slights/insults/whatever...yet you keep on with
that sort of thing. Ho hum. Boring to most readers. Doesn't work,
can never work...except in the fantasyland withing your head.

That you're responding to this lays waste to THAT argument,
Lennie.

tsk, tsk, tsk, stebe, no one is really sure what happens in your head.

Your therapist is totally inept.

That it's "boring" to "most" readers is irrelevent. These words
are directed to one person...that they can or may be read by others is
incidental to the medium in which they are offered.

Poor baby. Feeling picked-on?

I post in public.

No moderator in here. No newsgroupie cops here. No raddio kopps
here.

If you can't take the heat, quit wearing all that guilt-feeling body armor.

It has been penetrated so many times it is useless.

As for "keeping on" with insults, etc, you should read some of
your own postings. Why do you chastise me for doing that which you
ahve made a career?

"ahve?" :-) Sure sign of RAGE there. Anger, resentment all causing
typos.

And "force" you to do anything...?!?! If by humiliating your
over and over that you "resist" actually becomming a licensed Amateur
just to "spite" me, then yes, Your Putziness, I "forced" you to not be
a Ham.

Only in your disordered little mind, little man.

Try to remember that you are NOT some high-rank NCO and that
this is NOT some kind of military service. Playing the Dill Sergeant
won't get you out of any pickle you make by your own words.

I'm not the one with the lies to overcome, Lennie.

tsk, tsk, tsk...stebe, in reality, folks who have different opinions
than yours aren't "lying."

You do NOT define reality.

Get out of your fantasyland and visit reality. It's a tough job but
you have to do it someday...

You can start by telling us all the details of your many "hostile
actions."


As for being a bully, etc, that's your cowardly way of trying to
duck out of the "fight" YOU started. Most bullies ARE cowards,
Lennie, and I'd say you've done a fair job of "proving" that, too.

Poor little barbarian bully stebe. Everyone picking on you?

Are you going to "stop it" by exerting "a few ounces" (of trigger
pull), mighty warrior?

Putz.

Those aren't endearing words, little one.

But...they are the main words of this year's poster boy for US ham
radio.

Let's all hear it for all that "goodwill" that hams have...!

Goodwill industries?

Are you goodwill hunting?

WMD

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
Date: 8 Jan 2004 08:32:16 -0800

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:


There's no "hatred" of the "pros", Lennie. Only PROlific liars
such as yourself. That you claim to have been a "radio" professional
is unfortuante.

Not a "claim," an actual fact...provable through several third-party
sources. You keep trying to say I never worked in the electronics
industry at all. I did. In aerospace since 1956. Got paid for it.

I never said you "never" worked in electronics, Your Lyingness.

Yes you have. Both as just plain worker and as an engineer.

Well, you KNOW EVERYTHING about the electronics industry,
don't you? Worked less than half a year as a Purchasing Agent.
Super collosal electronics smarts required there, right?

I said you never amounted to anything more than a very
determined bench technician. I have complimented your cut-and-paste
skills, however.

"Determined?" :-)

tsk, tsk, tsk stebe, you just can't get it right, can you? :-)

Or, reject all the facts, ignore reality, and say everything I've
written
is "lies." That doesn't make your statement "true." It never will.

Long list of "FACTS" snipped.

The FACT is that I have spoken with people who KNEW you and wee
not impressed.

Total utter bluffing BULL****, sweetums.

You've NEVER "spoken with people who knew me."

Bluff. Bull****. Very bad poker playing skills.

The FACT is that YOU refuse to accept that your "professional"
and military "experience" is NOT Amateur Radio.

That was never a subject except in your disordered little mind,
little man.

Radio is radio. It all works by the same principles of physics. It
doesn't "work differently" because some lawmakers create different
"services" for it.

This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO.

It is FOR that. This newsgroup is UNMODERATED, has no
"entrance" requirements, no raddio kopps to "arrest" those that
don't conform to some bigoted ideas of hamme raddio.

You have yet to demonstrate an even rudimentary understanding of
what it is, let alone have participated in it.

Oh, my, have you been reading a biography of "Judge" Roy Bean?
:-)

Or just Attila the Ham (or "Atilla" if you speak Hunnish with a dialect)?

I need only memorize the Holy Words of the League and "know" what
it is about.

I need only turn on my R-71 and listen to what Hams talk about.

I can walk into any HRO store in the country without showing any pass
or presenting "papers" to the guard at the door.

No security clearances are required, no background checks from the
FBI.

The FACT is that YOU have been caught in NUMEROUS fabrications or
misrepresentations of truth and "called" on them over and over.

tsk, tsk, tsk, stebe, your therapist isn't doing so well.

You've regressed again into your imaginary world.

YOU have no credibility herein as a result of that, Sir Putzy.

I might never be given credulity in Newington. :-)

Jim Fisk believed me. So did Alf Wilson. Even Rich Rosen.

You spoke to all of them about me, right?

And (I've said this before) it's just peachy with me that you
know more about electronics than I do or ever did, Lennie...Being able
to quote Shannon's Law in your sleep is irrelevent here.

My wife says I sometimes snore a bit. Never heard me utter any
words or mathematical equations, though.

Buy me a long-run tape recorder and I'll set it up and run it. Will
get back to you if anything worthwhile is recorded.

You can send me yours. But leave out the tapes of close order
drill commands and the off-key Marines Hymn.

It's a wonderful life.

Yes, it is. Too bad you'll die having not known exactly HOW
wonderful it is.

Perhaps. I'm not complaining. Why are you complaining?

I only complain about having to tolerate compulsive liars and
antagonists such as yourslef.

Well, "myslef" is totally guilty of saying nasty to neverland myths
or fantasyland fairy tales or the gross exaggerations printed by
the membership organization up somewhere in a suburb of Boston
(or Hartford or wherever)...

I'm sure your whole Hun club is as angry with me as "youslef."

I had to sit with the family gathering again to watch "It's A Wonderful
Life." :-) After seeing it so many times, it's still a good motion
picture even if very dated.

"Family gathering"...?!?! You, Mrs Lennie and the cat?

? Far more than that. Why does that concern you?

Are you trying to find someone with a happy home life to insult and
demean?

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Brian, all the best to you
and your family.

At least there was ONE person in this forum for you to exchange
greetings with. Good for you. No one should be alone for the
holidays. Even creeps like you, Lennie.

Hardly "alone" during the Holidays. Wasn't even here (physically).
An inconvenience to access another's computer to check e-mail,
even if a close relative.

I imagine the "inconvienience" was hoping they didn't see where
you "hang out" and then follow behind you to see how you act in
public.

tsk, tsk, tsk, stebe's therapist is really falling down on its work.

must be a green card mental hygienist with only a few months left.

Why do you insist on painting all those imaginary scenarios, trying
to denigrate others?

Because those are the "scenarios" that your conduct engenders.

tsk, tsk, tsk, you still think your fantasyland is "real?"

Poor baby. Still can't take any REAL debate, can you?

Must be the influence of the "gunnery sergeant" mentality. No one
can EVER talk back to a gunny. :-)

I don't live in newsgroups...(SNIP)

Sure you do.

Nope. In a suburb of Los Angeles, CA.

The address given in my Ham Radio article bylines is still valid.

Now, all together...Hup, too, tree, foah! :-)

Get some better therapy, stebe.

LHA

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
Date: 8 Jan 2004 08:32:16 -0800

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

And unfortunately for you, your lies ARE archived in this very
forum.

No "lies."

"I am going to get my Extra Lite out of the box".

"The ARRL is dishonest".

Do you really want your nose rubbed in ALL of them, Lennie?

Sucks to be you, Leonard.

Only when I turn on the ShopVac.

I guess that's the ONLY suction in your house, Lennie...Which
means it REALLY sucks to be you...

The ONLY way one can be "interested in radio" is to get a ham
license and be proficient in morse code...(SNIP)

Oh geeze...Here we go again.

A 1x2 has stated the Word on that: The ONLY way one can be
"interested in radio" is to get a ham license and be a morseman.

That's the Official Word.

Quotes, Lennie...Cite the message thread, please (I have learned
to not trust ANYthing you say unless I can cross-reference it to a
third party source)

Lennie, we're STILL waiting on you to cite the quotes wherein
you've established this opinion.

Observation of the human condition for over a half century.

What's your excuse?

Once again you avoid the request to prove your assertions with
some sort of facts.

And so far, your "observations" are just bitter rants against
just about anything that you can't/weren't able to understand or
master yourself.

That's not "proof", unless just being a loser is your goal, in
which case I'd say you have excelled.

It's certainly not true in MY case, and just one more example of
how you feel free to take liberties with the truth.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...role-playing in a fantasy land is not "reality" nor
is it "truth."

There's only one "role-player" here, Lennie. Almost everyone
else here HAS an Amateur Radio license and PARTICIPATES in teh "Real
McCoy".

YOU are the outsider here.

I never claimed to be an engineer...But I did provide numerous
references from that job that proved you WRONG on numerous occassions.

Never once did you "prove" anything. Your imagination tells only
you that you were "right." Your imagination is WRONG.

Sure I did. Starting with simple assertions about the
"engineering community"...You said that there was "no such thing" and
I provided you with an immediate quote from one of the periodicals
that cited that very concept.

And you further went on to say "real engineers" didn't need/use
Amateur Radio...I gave you the callsigns of not only 13 engineers, but
three of them were PhD's.

I guess that had to hurt, knowing a "non-engineer" had access to
references that took a bite out of your rants...

"Hurt?" Only my sides from laughing. "References" from a weekly
newspaper from Podunk Hollow, TN, hardly counts for anything...

They were hardly from "Podunk Hollow", Lennie. They were
professional journals and periodicals.

(Squirm a bit harder, Scummy...)

Again with the "1930's" rant, Lennie?

Call it "transistorized 1930s," Stebe.

I call it your "1930's rant", Lennie...It's not truthful, nor
even representitive of anything associated with MODERN Amateur Radio.

Standards and Practices remain the same as 70 years ago.
Imagination of Public Service and self-serving glory are still the
same. If ARRL writes it, all MUST believe, for their words are
sacred.

No, they don't.

But if you NEED to believe that in order to sleep well at night,
please, be my guest...

And in any case your sleight's against Amateur Radio's PROVEN
track record of being able to provide the very emergency services you
claim as "ineffectual" or "irrelevent" are DISproven over and ovr,
even in the 21st Century.

Of course (he said, humoring the mentally ill)...when any disaster
strikes, all the communications infrastructure fails but amateurs can
jump in and save the day. Using morse code, of course.

[try "slight" and "over"...]

Try "sleight" and excuse me for dropping the "e".

There's no "hatred" of the "pros", Lennie. Only PROlific liars
such as yourself. That you claim to have been a "radio" professional
is unfortuante.

Not a "claim," an actual fact...provable through several third-party
sources. You keep trying to say I never worked in the electronics
industry at all. I did. In aerospace since 1956. Got paid for it.

I never said you "never" worked in electronics, Your Lyingness.

I said you never amounted to anything more than a very
determined bench technician. I have complimented your cut-and-paste
skills, however.

Or, reject all the facts, ignore reality, and say everything I've
written
is "lies." That doesn't make your statement "true." It never will.

Long list of "FACTS" snipped.

The FACT is that I have spoken with people who KNEW you and wee
not impressed.

The FACT is that YOU refuse to accept that your "professional"
and military "experience" is NOT Amateur Radio.

This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO.

You have yet to demonstrate an even rudimentary understanding of
what it is, let alone have participated in it.

The FACT is that YOU have been caught in NUMEROUS fabrications or
misrepresentations of truth and "called" on them over and over.

YOU have no credibility herein as a result of that, Sir Putzy.

And (I've said this before) it's just peachy with me that you
know more about electronics than I do or ever did, Lennie...Being able
to quote Shannon's Law in your sleep is irrelevent here.

It's a wonderful life.

Yes, it is. Too bad you'll die having not known exactly HOW
wonderful it is.

Perhaps. I'm not complaining. Why are you complaining?

I only complain about having to tolerate compulsive liars and
antagonists such as yourslef.

I had to sit with the family gathering again to watch "It's A Wonderful
Life." :-) After seeing it so many times, it's still a good motion
picture even if very dated.

"Family gathering"...?!?! You, Mrs Lennie and the cat?

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Brian, all the best to you
and your family.

At least there was ONE person in this forum for you to exchange
greetings with. Good for you. No one should be alone for the
holidays. Even creeps like you, Lennie.

Hardly "alone" during the Holidays. Wasn't even here (physically).
An inconvenience to access another's computer to check e-mail,
even if a close relative.

I imagine the "inconvienience" was hoping they didn't see where
you "hang out" and then follow behind you to see how you act in
public.

Why do you insist on painting all those imaginary scenarios, trying
to denigrate others?

Because those are the "scenarios" that your conduct engenders.

I don't live in newsgroups...(SNIP)

Sure you do.

(UNSNIP)...nor do I look to the computer to give me
either acceptance or love or respect.

Good for you. The computer is an inanimate object.

However the people you hope to snowjob with your wisdom and wit
aren't, and unfortuantely for you, you've completely ruined your
credibility, regardless of how "smart" you may really be.

Never thought that way since
getting on BBSs the first time 19 years ago. Computer-modem
communications are just another form of communications...just like
radio. You haven't reached that point in understanding this medium
yet...you can holler incessantly that I "lie" and vomit all sorts of bad
names but none of that is "true" anywhere but in your head.

Sorry Lennie. Repeat that over and over if you care to, but the
facts are that there are still thousands of pages of archived RRAP
fodder wherein you've been caught with your britches down over and
over.

So far you've not been able to "force" me to do anything, not even
with vague "threats" of some sort of veiled physical harm. Acting
the bully in here only demonstrates what bullies do. This isn't a
"personal battleground" that must be totally occupied by your
personal perceived slights/insults/whatever...yet you keep on with
that sort of thing. Ho hum. Boring to most readers. Doesn't work,
can never work...except in the fantasyland withing your head.

That you're responding to this lays waste to THAT argument,
Lennie.

That it's "boring" to "most" readers is irrelevent. These words
are directed to one person...that they can or may be read by others is
incidental to the medium in which they are offered.

As for "keeping on" with insults, etc, you should read some of
your own postings. Why do you chastise me for doing that which you
ahve made a career?

And "force" you to do anything...?!?! If by humiliating your
over and over that you "resist" actually becomming a licensed Amateur
just to "spite" me, then yes, Your Putziness, I "forced" you to not be
a Ham.

Try to remember that you are NOT some high-rank NCO and that
this is NOT some kind of military service. Playing the Dill Sergeant
won't get you out of any pickle you make by your own words.

I'm not the one with the lies to overcome, Lennie.

As for being a bully, etc, that's your cowardly way of trying to
duck out of the "fight" YOU started. Most bullies ARE cowards,
Lennie, and I'd say you've done a fair job of "proving" that, too.

Putz.

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
Date: 8 Jan 2004 08:32:16 -0800

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

It's certainly not true in MY case, and just one more example of
how you feel free to take liberties with the truth.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...role-playing in a fantasy land is not "reality" nor
is it "truth."

There's only one "role-player" here, Lennie. Almost everyone
else here HAS an Amateur Radio license and PARTICIPATES in teh "Real
McCoy".

"teh ?" :-) Getting ANGRY again, are you?

There are several "McCoys" in electronics. Which one are you
referring to? Walter Brennan?

YOU are the outsider here.

This newsgroup isn't "amateur radio."

This newsgroup is all about lets-pretend fish-story-tellers trying
to put down lots of other amateurs. All amateurishly.

I'm all for eliminating the morse code test from any radio license
examination. That's all.

You are the one on an extended field trip into fantasyland.




I never claimed to be an engineer...But I did provide numerous
references from that job that proved you WRONG on numerous occassions.

Never once did you "prove" anything. Your imagination tells only
you that you were "right." Your imagination is WRONG.

Sure I did. Starting with simple assertions about the
"engineering community"...You said that there was "no such thing" and
I provided you with an immediate quote from one of the periodicals
that cited that very concept.

Where is this "engineering community" located? Have you been
there? :-)

Is it part of a Kibbutz? A collective farm? Does it have fancy
alphabets like ASME?

Where did you read this? Or, rather, who read it to you from some
printed reference? Your therapist?

Go for it, EX purchasing agent...

And you further went on to say "real engineers" didn't need/use
Amateur Radio...I gave you the callsigns of not only 13 engineers, but
three of them were PhD's.

Of course you did...right after you accepted the Presidential Medal
of Freedom for keeping Homeland Security safe through ham radio.

In other words, in your MIND, sweetums.

I'm still a Life Member of the IEEE and a former member of the ACM,
both professional organizations. None of their many, many
publications have had "news" about Ham Radio Saving The Day!

But, in your mind, you know "lots" of PhDs, and other smart folks
who all LOVE ham radio and cherish, honor, obey morse code....



I guess that had to hurt, knowing a "non-engineer" had access to
references that took a bite out of your rants...

"Hurt?" Only my sides from laughing. "References" from a weekly
newspaper from Podunk Hollow, TN, hardly counts for anything...

They were hardly from "Podunk Hollow", Lennie. They were
professional journals and periodicals.

Yeah, like a little few-page weekly is on par with the New York TIMES.

Paris Review on a bad day maybe. St. Louis Post-Dispatch or the
Washington Post would hardly have such, would they?
George didn't have such, neither did Time, Life, Newsweek. Maybe
it was in People (which I only read in dentist offices). TV Guide?

Not in IEEE Proceedings or the monthlies from ComSoc (Communication
Society, a group within IEEE). ComSoc wants me back as a member.

It wasn't in EDN, or Electronic Design, or RF Design, or Microwaves &
RF. I don't bother with EE Times anymore. Maybe PET (Power
Engineering Technology)?

(Squirm a bit harder, Scummy...)

Only if the mosquitos are biting. You WANT to but haven't gotten
any penetration yet...

Again with the "1930's" rant, Lennie?

Call it "transistorized 1930s," Stebe.

I call it your "1930's rant", Lennie...It's not truthful, nor
even representitive of anything associated with MODERN Amateur Radio.

Of course, Mr. PhD...MODERN amateur radio...extolling morse code
modes on HF as "always getting through when nothing else will..."

MODERN HF amateur radio: "What was good in the 1930s is still
good in 2000s!"

"Real ham radio is working DX on HF with CW."

Standards and Practices remain the same as 70 years ago.
Imagination of Public Service and self-serving glory are still the
same. If ARRL writes it, all MUST believe, for their words are
sacred.

No, they don't.

But if you NEED to believe that in order to sleep well at night,
please, be my guest...

:-) Not even close, Mr. Hotellier or Mr. Innkeeper. :-)

Quit trying to be a Host, sweetums. The only "host" you can be is
of a communicable disease.

Go get some therapy.

LHA

In article ,
(Stebe Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
Date: 8 Jan 2004 08:32:16 -0800

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

And unfortunately for you, your lies ARE archived in this very
forum.

No "lies."

"I am going to get my Extra Lite out of the box".

"The ARRL is dishonest".

Do you really want your nose rubbed in ALL of them, Lennie?

Sucks to be you, Leonard.

Only when I turn on the ShopVac.

I guess that's the ONLY suction in your house, Lennie...Which
means it REALLY sucks to be you...

Your boyfriend lives in your house now?

The ONLY way one can be "interested in radio" is to get a ham
license and be proficient in morse code...(SNIP)

Oh geeze...Here we go again.

A 1x2 has stated the Word on that: The ONLY way one can be
"interested in radio" is to get a ham license and be a morseman.

That's the Official Word.

Quotes, Lennie...Cite the message thread, please (I have learned
to not trust ANYthing you say unless I can cross-reference it to a
third party source)

"Cite message thread?"

Why? Can't you read the English words in here?

Do you have attention deficit disorder that requires you to see
repeats of everything already written?

I'm sure you can "cross-reference." You are cross all of the time.


What's your excuse?

Once again you avoid the request to prove your assertions with
some sort of facts.

I asked a question.

You are trying to worm out of it.

tsk, tsk, tsk, stebe.

You read "Witches of Karres" and are all stuck on "worm weather,"
right?

And so far, your "observations" are just bitter rants against
just about anything that you can't/weren't able to understand or
master yourself.

Wow, do you ever need pre-med!

Sweetums, you've got diagnoses all mixed up.

Must be the Religion Thing about morsemanship that is clouding
your few mental synapses.

That's not "proof", unless just being a loser is your goal, in
which case I'd say you have excelled.

"Excelled in losing?"

I once won $55 in the California Lottery. Don't gamble normally.

Let's see...what "losses?"

I have a comfortable retirement, don't have to go to work and suck
up to bosses. No mortgage on either house.

My regular-hours jobs were in a field I like and deliberately chose
long ago. Even spent lots and lots of nights in classes to make
the "engineer" job "official."

Never got fired, never got arrested. Got a parking ticket in New
Jersey once (not a felony then).

I'm happily married to my high school sweetheart, reunited after
many years; even attended a 50th high school reunion and didn't
fight with anyone.

I got into the big leagues of HF radio communication a half century
ago, then got an Honorable Discharge from the US Army...no
"other" kind of discharge. No excuses for anything there. Good
Conduct ribbon, too! :-)

I've been both author-contributor and a staffer at Ham Radio
magazine when it was still existing as an independent periodical.
Real ink on real paper, many times a month. Was a national
magazine available on newsstands.

Never once did I have to suck up to any ex-gyrene foulmouth
who has a hate complex because he can't handle hisself in here.

No real losses. :-)

LHA

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

That way, no one who was
interested would be forced off the air, but at the same time there would
be
incentive to get a full-privs renewable license.

If, after 10 years as a learner and exposed to mainstream ham radio they
can't qualify for a standard license, then another 10 years isn't likely to
be sufficient to become qualified.

That may well be the case, Hans. And since some Morse Code skill is
obviously part of being a qualified full-privileges radio amateur, it makes

sense that the standard license would include a Morse Code test.

I can't imagine "one who was interested" would fail to qualify in 10 years,
but if they didn't, well I guess there are other hobbies like finger
painting which might be less challenging and not require a federal license
to pursue.

Exactly.

I can't imagein "one who was interested" not taking the time to learn
Morse code either, but if they didn't want to I gues there are other
things like wait around until it goes away, which might be less challenging!

You must be absolutely right, Mike, therefore all who don't learn
morse code "must not be interested in radio!"

In my case, exposure to the big leagues of HF radio communications
while in the US Army piqued an interest in radio that eventually led
to changing majors (drastic change) and entering the electronics
industry to become an engineer.

The US Army didn't use any morse code to send over 200,000
messages a month from a command Hq in Japan. There's no need
to know morse code for electronics engineering or for most of the
radio transmitters of the 1950s on through the 2000s.

A quarter million IEEE members worldwide (me included) must not
have any "interest in radio" because we don't or didn't learn morse
code.

I've never heard of any morse code classes as part of electrical
engineering curricula anywhere in the world. Maybe all those
students for EEs aren't "really" interested in radio?

Consider that there's NO communications carriers in the USA
even using morse code for any communications purposes today.
I guess they must "not be interested" because morse isn't used.

How about that?

LHA

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

That way, no one who was
interested would be forced off the air, but at the same time there would
be
incentive to get a full-privs renewable license.

If, after 10 years as a learner and exposed to mainstream ham radio they
can't qualify for a standard license, then another 10 years isn't likely to
be sufficient to become qualified.

That may well be the case, Hans. And since some Morse Code skill is
obviously part of being a qualified full-privileges radio amateur, it makes
sense that the standard license would include a Morse Code test.

Sorry but that makes NO sense.

FCC does NOT require any licensed radio amateur to use morse
code modes over and above any other allocated mode. Ergo, there
is no allocation requirement to satisfy.

Further, it makes NO sense that morse code skill "qualifies" any
radio amateur for "full privileges" on HF/MF bands. That is an
artificiality lobbied (successfully) for by olde-tyme morsemen.

If US amateur radio service were named "Artificial Radiotelegraph
Service," then it would make sense.

beep, beep

LHA

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Of course, any former E-5 or higher that thinks "asshole" is a
terribly profane word must be of the sissy pink coloring.

It's a gray area...

LHA

Hope he never sees a copy of Cinderella Liberty. I think Hans starred in it.

:-)

LHA