Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Loon Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Jim,

Are you forwarding these messages via LHA's home version of ADA?

ADA is the callsign of Headquarters, United States Army Pacific,
Fort Shafter, Hawaii. That callsign has been active since 1946 and
in continuous use all this time, connected with area command
headquarters in the Pacific region.

Why do you insist on making fun of the United States Army?

Oh, you simply misunderstood once again. I wasn't poking fun at the
Army. I was poking fun at you personally, Leonard.

You consistently poke fun at anyone who opposes your opinions...
save on NON-radio discussions in here which have nothing to do
with any policy subjects.

You keep trying to make this about a group of people. It isn't. It is
about you.

You MAKE FUN of the United States Army because a veteran of
that service branch was assigned to ADA for three years and did
not kiss your [expletive deleted] godhood in reverence.

No, I haven't made fun of the Army. You keep trying to involve others.
It is about you.

You MAKE FUN of the United States Army because they and the
other branches dropped morse code for fixed-point to fixed-point
communications back in 1948.

No, the Army isn't involved. There's only you.

You MAKE FUN of the United States Army because they had HF
radio facilities a half century ago that makes the entirety of the
United States Department of State look puny in re communications.

Neither the Army nor the Department of State has anything to do with
this.
There's only you.

You MAKE FUN of professionals in the firield of electronics because
you consider your amateur status as "better" than professionals.

Not at all. I spent a career as a profession in the "firield" of
electronics. My professional career and my decades as a radio amateur
are not linked. As a radio amateur, I never thought I was better than
myself as a professional. But enough of this, the issue is you. While
you worked as a professional in radio, you've never been a part of
amateur radio.

All you can do, besides gabble about NON-radio subjects in here, is
to MAKE FUN of anyone you disagree with.

Wrong again, Mr. One Track. This isn't about "anyone I disagree with".
It is about you, Leonard H. Anderson, self-proclaimed advocate for
something-or-other in amateur radio.

Your "fun" is really a pathetic attempt at humiliation which does not
have the effect you desire. It did not six years ago and does not do
so now.

Check your wayback machine, Len. It has been well in excess of six
years.
You come off as pompous and condescending. You'd like to convince us
that no one here can possibly know as much as you about radio. You'd
have us believe that we should accept your view of how amateur radio
should be regulated, yet you aren't a part of amateur radio at all.
That and you're easy to humiliate.

You don't, or can't discuss any policy subject at length, only call
those who disagree with you names and try to insult them.

We can always count on you for a laugh, kindly old pirhana. Tell us how
you conduct yourself and why you so frequently draw fire.

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

Shrug. Not good for the amateur image to make others be like you.

How would you know? You aren't involved.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:


You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

I am not a ham. I have a beef with certain U.S. government laws.

You keep fishing for trolls and aren't taking your meds.


How would you know? You aren't involved.

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license. It is impossible to have any "interest" in
radio through a working career in radio or electronics. The ham license
is absolutely mandatory "to show interest in radio." Right.

Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

I am so glad you "explained" all of those things. [it's like LOTR code]

Has the ARRL approached you for more hints in generating interest in
getting "interested in radio" as you've outlined in here?

No? That's so interesting.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

You MIGHT have been an electronics technician at some point in
time. At present, no contribution of any import can be attributed to
Leonard H. Anderson at ANY level. Several articles in "Ham Radio"
magazine carry your by-line but cannot be verified as "original"
work..At best you were able to successfully plagerize anothers work by
careful re-editing. The one personal reference I could contact at a
place you alleged to "work" was of passive participation, at best.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

But not AMATEUR RADIO, the central subject of this forum. In
THIS matter you have zero-point-squat experience.

The physics of radio are irrelevent here...It's the application.

I am not a ham. I have a beef with certain U.S. government laws.

You ARE a liar and an antagonist. These are documented.

You keep fishing for trolls and aren't taking your meds.

Seems he caught one. Want him to throw you back when you're all
grown up?

How would you know? You aren't involved.

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You have no EXPERIENCE in AMATEUR RADIO from which to make an
informed opinion.

Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

You have no EXPERIENCE in AMATEUR RADIO from which to make an
informed opinion.

Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license. It is impossible to have any "interest" in
radio through a working career in radio or electronics. The ham license
is absolutely mandatory "to show interest in radio." Right.

You have no EXPERIENCE in AMATEUR RADIO from which to make an
informed opinion.

Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

You have no EXPERIENCE in AMATEUR RADIO from which to make an
informed opinion.

When lying and antagonism are desireable traits, we'll come find
you for hints.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:


You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

I am not a ham. I have a beef with certain U.S. government laws.

You keep fishing for trolls and aren't taking your meds.


How would you know? You aren't involved.

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license. It is impossible to have any "interest" in
radio through a working career in radio or electronics. The ham license
is absolutely mandatory "to show interest in radio." Right.

Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

I am so glad you "explained" all of those things. [it's like LOTR code]

Has the ARRL approached you for more hints in generating interest in
getting "interested in radio" as you've outlined in here?

No? That's so interesting.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

Right. There you go back into your professional background. That isn't
amateur radio. Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields.
You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all.

I am not a ham. I have a beef with certain U.S. government laws.

....and I'm certain that the FCC and all of hamdom are just sick over
that.
I guess you really showed us, huh?

You keep fishing for trolls and aren't taking your meds.

I keep fishing and I keep getting bites. You, after all, seem to be the
"Big Fish".

Shrug. Not good for the amateur image to make others be like you.

How would you know? You aren't involved.

I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want
you to mislead others now, would we?

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking".

Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Wrong. NOBODY can become unvolved until they take steps to do so.
You can read up on astronomy. That alone does not make you an
astronomer.
You can peruse magazines and books on auto repair. Those things alone
do not make you a car mechanic.

Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license.

Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a
number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard.
Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the
box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a
single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio
license.


It is impossible to have any "interest" in
radio through a working career in radio or electronics. The ham license
is absolutely mandatory "to show interest in radio." Right.

Wrong. See my comments above.

Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

You've commented. End of involvement.

I am so glad you "explained" all of those things. [it's like LOTR code]

Has the ARRL approached you for more hints in generating interest in
getting "interested in radio" as you've outlined in here?

A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them
into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you
persist in deleting that very important word?

No? That's so interesting.

You've misdefined your interest. You have interest in internet
newsgroup posting. You have interest in outlining your past
professional glories.
You aren't involved in amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
determined to be as snarly as possible scribbles in crayon:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

Right. There you go back into your professional background.

I've been working on that professional background for 51 years. :-)

That isn't amateur radio.

That isn't HAM radio, sweetums. "Amateur" is defined as "without
pecuniary interest." Even the FCC defines amateur radio that way.

Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields.

You are out standing in your field now.

You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur.

Poor baby. Still so confused, scrunching up his fat little fingers,
bound and determined to Have His Way! :-)

Hobbyists in radio are defineable as amateurs in radio if they do not
make any income from it.

LICENSES in amateur radio are required to transmit RF on allocated
amateur radio bands in order to be legal with the federal government.

Poor baby, doesn't understand that amateur radio licenses are NO
GOOD outside of allocated amateur bands. That's true. Anyone can
verify that with Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, especially in
Parts 1 and 2..

Did you know that the federal government can operate all kinds of RF
emitters without having ANY operators licensed? True. A ham license
there isn't worth the price of a ham sandwich. No criminal liability!

Don't you just HATE it when your rant gets destroyed?

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all.

:-) I haven't been involved in LICENSED amateur radio.

Too bad I can't bring up Jim Fisk as a reference (he is SK). I don't
know about Alf Wilson, W6NIF, or Rich Rosen. They were rather
involved with HAM RADIO. :-)

I guess you really showed us, huh?

That's not difficult. :-)


I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want
you to mislead others now, would we?

Anyone can read these public postings without your selective
editing. :-)

You don't seem to comprehend half of it, but that's quite another
problem and all yours.


Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking".

Morsemanship isn't "talking." It's beeping.


Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Wrong. NOBODY can become unvolved until they take steps to do so.
You can read up on astronomy. That alone does not make you an
astronomer.

Oh? Astronomers need to be "licensed" and take a morse test?

I don't think so. But, if your false statement makes you happy, why
should I upset your nirvana?

[you might research "astronomy" and who spots what, but that would
make you see stars...]

You can peruse magazines and books on auto repair. Those things alone
do not make you a car mechanic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Riiiiight. I guess Kragen and all those auto parts stores are doomed
for lack of sales, right? :-)


Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license.

Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a
number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard.

Noooo, noooo. You are desperately trying to hang on but are
inexorably drawn over the edge. It's a very long drop below you...

LICENSED amateur radio is what you are trying (vainly) to say and then
only to be legal with the federal government on transmitting RF energy
WITHIN allocated amateur radio bands. As the FCC explains, an
amateur radio license is NOT required for transmitting RF energy outside
of amateur radio bands. That sort of thing is quite illegal. :-).

That's only for CIVILIAN radio services and the FCC has NO jurisdiction
over government users of radio.

But, did you know that UNLICENSED civilians can use certain allocated
radio bands and transmit RF energy without taking a single test? True!
Been several of those since 1958! Ask the FCC about non-amateur
radio services if you are too "involved" in amateur radio activity to go
look it up. :-)

Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the
box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a
single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio
license.

Poor baby. Still angry over the past?

You STILL can't understand why I am here. I've explained it enough
times, but your have this set-in-concrete mind that can't get flexible
enough to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

If you are still munching cashews from your glorious middle Africa
"Foreign Service" days, I'd throw them out...either than or too much
beeping has affected your mind. [Guinea-Bisseau is the African
center for cashew exporting...about their best export...]


Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

You've commented. End of involvement.

Not even close to the "end."

"Comments" are NOT "involvement" even in your distorted little Middle
Earth view, Frodo. [you aren't Golem, but the resemblance is there]


A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them
into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you
persist in deleting that very important word?

Sigh..."amateur" refers to an activity without pecuniary interest. The
FCC uses those same words. [the FCC granted your amateur radio
license]

The word "amateur" (with or without all-capitals) does not explicitly
say TRANSMISSION OF RF ENERGY IN ALLOCATED AMATEUR
RADIO BANDS. Your prized amateur radio license is NO GOOD for
legal transmission of RF energy OUTSIDE of allocated amateur bands.

In fact, in some U.S. civilian radio services it is perfectly legal to
transmit RF energy WITHOUT a license of any kind!!! Sunovagun!

Poor baby. Another Heilian rant shot down in flames.


You've misdefined your interest.

Not me. YOU. All wrong, Golem...er, I mean Frodo.

I HAVE defined my "interest" quite correctly.

That you totally refuse to believe it is not my problem. Yours.

Your intellectual presbyopia is glaringly obvious.

You have interest in internet newsgroup posting.

No more so than regular physical exercise. :-)

I have lots of interest in my bank. I have monetary interest elsewhere.

You have interest in outlining your past professional glories.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, very subjective use of adjectives on your part.

I've spent 51 years in professional radio-electronics activity and none
of it can qualify as "glorious." Intellectually INTERESTING, yes, and
some of it quite enjoyable. If some of it was more involved than what
you did, TS, that's the breaks of life.

Maybe your distemper is flaring up again because I got assigned to
a very large HF transmitting facility while in the U.S. Army...and got
rank and responsibility operating many high-powered HF transmitters.
51 years ago. Before your first hamme raddio license. TS for you.

You aren't involved in amateur radio.

Not involved in TRANSMITTING RF ENERGY ON ALLOCATED HAM
BANDS, true. :-)

TRANSMIT, Baggins, TRANSMIT. Like in legal RF energy within
those tight, confining HF band bounds.

I'm just advocating the elimination of morse code testing for any radio
license but you desperately want to make that some kind of grande
production of drama and pathos, a giant mountain built out of a mole
hill of your old morse message blanks. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you try such
theatrics! Do you have an interest in the theater? :-)

I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-)

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

After having committed the words "I am only here to civilly
debate the Morse Code test issue", Leonard H. Anderson, a known
pathological liar and newsgroup antagonist, further demonstrated his
illness by commiting THESE words to the newsgroup:

In article , Dave Heil
determined to be as snarly as possible scribbles in crayon:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

Right. There you go back into your professional background.

I've been working on that professional background for 51 years. :-)

That isn't amateur radio.

That isn't HAM radio, sweetums. "Amateur" is defined as "without
pecuniary interest." Even the FCC defines amateur radio that way.

AND...Your Scumminess...THEY ("They" being the very same FCC YOU
cited) don't call it "Ham" radio...THEY call it AMATUER Radio.

YOU, after all, are the one whio points out that THEY, not "we"
nor the ARRL, are the one's who "make the rules"...

Ergo YOU, licensed or not, are bound by THIER regulations by
virtue of being a US citizen.

Sorry, Your Putziness...Dems da facts.

Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields.

You are out standing in your field now.

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test
issue"...From yet another LennieLie perpetrated in this forum by
Leonard H. Anderson.

You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur.

Poor baby. Still so confused, scrunching up his fat little fingers,
bound and determined to Have His Way!

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test
issue"...From yet another LennieLie perpetrated in this forum by
Leonard H. Anderson.

Hobbyists in radio are defineable as amateurs in radio if they do not
make any income from it.

Yet the FCC defines RADIO AMATEURS as being licensed in the
Amateur Radio Service.

Scumbag spinmasters such as yourself can spin it any way you
want...You're STILL not a Radio Amateur BY THE FCC'S DEFINITION.

Poor baby, doesn't understand that amateur radio licenses are NO
GOOD outside of allocated amateur bands. That's true. Anyone can
verify that with Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, especially in
Parts 1 and 2..

Not germane to the FACT that YOU do not have ANY OPERATOR or
STATION license combintation that will allow you to operate a radio
station in the AMATUER RADIO SERVICE...Nor in any other service, save
for Part 15 and Part 95.

Did you know that the federal government can operate all kinds of RF
emitters without having ANY operators licensed? True. A ham license
there isn't worth the price of a ham sandwich. No criminal liability!

Not germane to the FACT that YOU do not have ANY OPERATOR or
STATION license combintation that will allow you to operate a radio
station in the AMATUER RADIO SERVICE...Nor in any other service, save
for Part 15 and Part 95.

Don't you just HATE it when your rant gets destroyed?

I am sure he would if he were ranting or if anything he'd said
were untrue.

YOU are free to believe otherwise, but YOU are the one ranting,
and YOU are the one who DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA as a LICENSED
OPERATOR in ANY radio service, Lennie.

Your GROL allows you NO priviledges WITHOUT a station license.

Your GROL ONLY allows you to "operate" under the auspices of
someone else's station license, and ONLY to the DISCREET channel(s)
and THE mode specified by THAT licnese.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all.

I haven't been involved in LICENSED amateur radio.

As of today you've NOT been involved in AMATEUR RADIO. You are
not a licensee. You've had some articles published in an long-defunct
magazine, but you have yet to prove to anyone that your "work" was
original

Too bad I can't bring up Jim Fisk as a reference (he is SK). I don't
know about Alf Wilson, W6NIF, or Rich Rosen. They were rather
involved with HAM RADIO.

Judging by thier callsigns, they are licensed AMATEUR RADIO
OPERATORS, as defined by the FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION...

You DO remember them, don't you, Sir Scumbag? THEY are the
UNLICENSED politicians that YOU constantly remind us that are IN
CHARGE...

THEY are the one's who define what AMATEUR RADIO is...NOT an
unlicensed, ex-radio technician retiree in Southern Kalifornia.

I guess you really showed us, huh?

That's not difficult.

So far for YOU, it is...You've not showed us anything but
your...well...your butt...

Guess you need to get those "Depends" taped up a bit higher,
Lennie.

I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want
you to mislead others now, would we?

Anyone can read these public postings without your selective
editing.

A Pearl of Wisdom from the master of the "selectiv(ly) edit(ed)"
rant.

You don't seem to comprehend half of it, but that's quite another
problem and all yours.

Comprehend THIS, Scumbag:

Not germane to the FACT that YOU do not have ANY OPERATOR or
STATION license combintation that will allow you to operate a radio
station in the AMATUER RADIO SERVICE...Nor in any other service, save
for Part 15 and Part 95.

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking".

Morsemanship isn't "talking." It's beeping.

It's communicating. Skillful communicating at that.

It's a skill that we Might Morsemen have that the Unwashed do
not.

Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a
number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard.

Noooo, noooo. You are desperately trying to hang on but are
inexorably drawn over the edge. It's a very long drop below you...

LICENSED amateur radio is what you are trying (vainly) to say and then
only to be legal with the federal government on transmitting RF energy
WITHIN allocated amateur radio bands. As the FCC explains, an
amateur radio license is NOT required for transmitting RF energy outside
of amateur radio bands. That sort of thing is quite illegal.

Only YOU are trying to discuss "outside of amateur radio bands",
Lennie, and that's only because it's the only thing that can even
REMOTELY tie you to any form of radio communication.

That's only for CIVILIAN radio services and the FCC has NO jurisdiction
over government users of radio.

Hmmmmm.....Since we're CIVILIANS, it seems PERFECTLY appropritate
that THOSE are the "rules" that we discuss.

But, did you know that UNLICENSED civilians can use certain allocated
radio bands and transmit RF energy without taking a single test? True!
Been several of those since 1958! Ask the FCC about non-amateur
radio services if you are too "involved" in amateur radio activity to go
look it up.

With the exception of Part 15 and Part 95, any citizen operating
an UNLICENSED radio transmitter is at risk for criminal prosecution.

Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the
box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a
single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio
license.

Poor baby. Still angry over the past?

You STILL can't understand why I am here. I've explained it enough
times, but your have this set-in-concrete mind that can't get flexible
enough to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...

Yes, Lennie...we know why you are "here"...We've added THAT lie
in with the REST of the ones you've promulgated in this forum.

If you are still munching cashews from your glorious middle Africa
"Foreign Service" days, I'd throw them out...either than or too much
beeping has affected your mind. [Guinea-Bisseau is the African
center for cashew exporting...about their best export...]

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...

As I said...

A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them
into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you
persist in deleting that very important word?

Sigh..."amateur" refers to an activity without pecuniary interest. The
FCC uses those same words. [the FCC granted your amateur radio
license]

BIGGER SIGH....The very same FCC Commissioners that YOU
constantly refer to are the ones who have made the definition,
Scumbag.

In the context of FCC rules and regulations, "Amateur" is a
person LICENSED in the AMATUER RADIO SERVICE...

A status YOU do not presently hold...Thank God.

In fact, in some U.S. civilian radio services it is perfectly legal to
transmit RF energy WITHOUT a license of any kind!!! Sunovagun!

Ohhhhhhhhh, baby!

Part 15 and Part 95....

I am soooooooooooo impressed! About enough "RF energy" to be
heard across town if the conditions are right with the technical
limitations imposed by PArt 15, and door-to-door trash that makes it
almost impossible to be heard across town even if the conditions ARE
right on Part 95.

Poor baby. Another Heilian rant shot down in flames.

Not hardly.

Since you try to change the FCC'S definition of what Amateurs
are, and since YOU are NOT an FCC Commissioner and not entitled to
that priviledge, I'd say the "rant" was yours and the one going down
in flames is you...Again...

You've misdefined your interest.

Not me. YOU. All wrong, Golem...er, I mean Frodo.

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test
issue"...Leonard H. Anderson

I HAVE defined my "interest" quite correctly.

Not by FCC definitions, Lennie...Only by your own. In the eyes
of the FCC, you are just a private citizen.., a "hobbyist",
perhaps...An "amateur" in many different ways, but in THIER
deifintion, you are NOT an "Amateur".

That you totally refuse to believe it is not my problem. Yours.

The YOU "totally refuse" to accept that your attempts to rewrite
federal definitions to YOUR satisfaction is laughable....That you do
it in public and in such a way as to totally humiliate yourself and
family name is incredulous.

Your intellectual presbyopia is glaringly obvious.

YOUR lack of ANY intellectual contributions to Amateur Radio are
even more glaring.

You have interest in internet newsgroup posting.

No more so than regular physical exercise.

I still offer to take you around the block a few times, Your
Putziness...To make it more interesting, I'll carry my field pack with
me (around 40 pounds).

I have lots of interest in my bank. I have monetary interest elsewhere.

You have interest in outlining your past professional glories.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, very subjective use of adjectives on your part.

WHOOHOO! Such an allegation coming from the master of the
Newsgroup Obfuscation!

I've spent 51 years in professional radio-electronics activity and none
of it can qualify as "glorious."

No doubt...how "glorius" can it be to follow in someone elses
footsteps step-by-step...?!?!

Intellectually INTERESTING, yes, and
some of it quite enjoyable. If some of it was more involved than what
you did, TS, that's the breaks of life.

How "involved" can a copycat be, Lennie...?!?!

Maybe your distemper is flaring up again because I got assigned to
a very large HF transmitting facility while in the U.S. Army...and got
rank and responsibility operating many high-powered HF transmitters.
51 years ago. Before your first hamme raddio license. TS for you.

Again with the relapsing to profanity (or at least the
insinuation of profanity) in order to "make a point"...

Your "assignment" as a radio clerk in 1950's Japan is about as
"glorious" as your life ever got, I am sure, hence your blatherings
and antagonism in THIS forum...

Poor Lennie...Still unable to bring himself off his marble
pillar long enough to join mere mortals and take an Amateur Radio exam
and join in with the rest of us...enjoying Amatuer Radio and all that
it entails...

You aren't involved in amateur radio.

Not involved in TRANSMITTING RF ENERGY ON ALLOCATED HAM
BANDS, true.

Thee are no "HAM BANDS" in the United States, Lennie...However
the Federal Communications Commission DOES specify the allocation
of numerous bands from the MF spectrum through microwaves to the
AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE.

47CFR refers, if you need help...

TRANSMIT, Baggins, TRANSMIT. Like in legal RF energy within
those tight, confining HF band bounds.

Ignorance, Lennie....97% of all Amateur Radio allocations are
ABOVE 30Mhz...Spectrum YOU could be using by the end of the week if
wanted to...

I'm just advocating the elimination of morse code testing for any radio
license but you desperately want to make that some kind of grande
production of drama and pathos, a giant mountain built out of a mole
hill of your old morse message blanks. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you try such
theatrics! Do you have an interest in the theater?

Lennie, you've only further proven that YOU are so far out of
touch with YOURSELF and what you do in this forum, that you warrant
confinement as a 5150 mental health hold under California revised code
for evaluation of mental health disorders.

I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last.

Obviously the chronologically aged seven year old had enough
attention span to pass the exam...Which seems to have eluded you....at
HOW old...?!?!

Rant, rant, rant, Lennie...we have YOUR number.

It's ZERO.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
determined to be as snarly as possible scribbles in crayon:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

Right. There you go back into your professional background.

I've been working on that professional background for 51 years. :-)

....and sitting on it for just as long :-)

That isn't amateur radio.

That isn't HAM radio, sweetums. "Amateur" is defined as "without
pecuniary interest." Even the FCC defines amateur radio that way.

Looks like you're tangled in another Andersonian misdefinition.

Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields.

You are out standing in your field now.

You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur.

Poor baby. Still so confused, scrunching up his fat little fingers,
bound and determined to Have His Way! :-)

It isn't my way. You are not a radio amateur under anyone's defintion
of the term.

Hobbyists in radio are defineable as amateurs in radio if they do not
make any income from it.

Only some SWL with delusions of grandeur would tell his friends that he
is a radio amateur. The terms "amateurs in radio" are not synonymous
with "amateur radio" or "radio amateur".

LICENSES in amateur radio are required to transmit RF on allocated
amateur radio bands in order to be legal with the federal government.

Really? You constantly amaze those of us who hold such licenses. We
had NO IDEA that such was the reason for those licenses. You're a
fountain of readily obtainable and commonly known information.

Poor baby, doesn't understand that amateur radio licenses are NO
GOOD outside of allocated amateur bands. That's true. Anyone can
verify that with Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, especially in
Parts 1 and 2..

Well, poor Leonard, I think those of us holding such licenses are well
aware of just where in the RF sprectrum we may use them. That's another
great piece of commonly known information you've provided. I'm ever so
grateful.

Did you know that the federal government can operate all kinds of RF
emitters without having ANY operators licensed? True. A ham license
there isn't worth the price of a ham sandwich. No criminal liability!

Super "news", Len, though I don't have the slightest idea of why I'm
supposed to care.

Don't you just HATE it when your rant gets destroyed?

I dunno about anything being destroyed. It seems you've decided on a
detour.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all.

:-) I haven't been involved in LICENSED amateur radio.

Just a bootlegger, huh?

Too bad I can't bring up Jim Fisk as a reference (he is SK). I don't
know about Alf Wilson, W6NIF, or Rich Rosen.

Yep, "Ham Radio" magazine and Jim Fisk are both defunct.

They were rather
involved with HAM RADIO. :-)

Yep. They were also involved in ham radio. You aren't.

I guess you really showed us, huh?

That's not difficult. :-)

You'll have to do a lot better than you've been doing.

I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want
you to mislead others now, would we?

Anyone can read these public postings without your selective
editing. :-)

You did the selective edit. I replaced what you cut.

You don't seem to comprehend half of it, but that's quite another
problem and all yours.

I don't think so. If you were better able to express your thoughts and
if they reflected facts, there might not be a problem.

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking".

Morsemanship isn't "talking." It's beeping.

You'll have to start somewhere, Len. Since the 5 wpm "Extra right out
of the box" was too high a hurdle, you might want to start with no code
test.


Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Wrong. NOBODY can become unvolved until they take steps to do so.
You can read up on astronomy. That alone does not make you an
astronomer.

Oh? Astronomers need to be "licensed" and take a morse test?

Is that what you think I wrote? I'm beginning to see that you and Brian
share more than a few traits.

You can peruse magazines and books on auto repair. Those things alone
do not make you a car mechanic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Riiiiight. I guess Kragen and all those auto parts stores are doomed
for lack of sales, right? :-)

I didn't bring up auto parts stores. I wrote that simply reading a book
or magazine doesn't make you a car mechanic.

Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license.

Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a
number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard.

Noooo, noooo. You are desperately trying to hang on but are
inexorably drawn over the edge. It's a very long drop below you...

You can type "Noooo, noooo" until your fingers bleed. That won't change
things. Every time I've written "interest in amateur radio" or
"interested in amateur radio", you've responded with this "interest in
radio" thing. Your "interest in radio" can be satisfied by tuning in
Sean Hannity.

LICENSED amateur radio is what you are trying (vainly) to say and then
only to be legal with the federal government on transmitting RF energy
WITHIN allocated amateur radio bands. As the FCC explains, an
amateur radio license is NOT required for transmitting RF energy outside
of amateur radio bands. That sort of thing is quite illegal. :-).

Where've you been? Have a nice nap, did you?

That's only for CIVILIAN radio services and the FCC has NO jurisdiction
over government users of radio.

Great. Become a government user of radio.

But, did you know that UNLICENSED civilians can use certain allocated
radio bands and transmit RF energy without taking a single test? True!
Been several of those since 1958! Ask the FCC about non-amateur
radio services if you are too "involved" in amateur radio activity to go
look it up. :-)

Super. Enjoy your channelized slices of post-1958 spectrum. You still
aren't a radio amateur.

Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the
box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a
single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio
license.

Poor baby. Still angry over the past?

Why would I be angry that you haven't lived up to your boast?

You STILL can't understand why I am here. I've explained it enough
times, but your have this set-in-concrete mind that can't get flexible
enough to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Nobody seems to understand why you're here. You aren't a regulator.
You aren't a radio amateur. You've commented to your government.

Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

You've commented. End of involvement.

Not even close to the "end."

"Comments" are NOT "involvement" even in your distorted little Middle
Earth view, Frodo. [you aren't Golem, but the resemblance is there]

Comments are much involvement as you'll have in amateur radio, Leonard.

A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them
into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you
persist in deleting that very important word?

Sigh..."amateur" refers to an activity without pecuniary interest. The
FCC uses those same words. [the FCC granted your amateur radio
license]

*Sigh* You aren't a radio amateur. The FCC did not grant you an amateur
radio license.

The word "amateur" (with or without all-capitals) does not explicitly
say TRANSMISSION OF RF ENERGY IN ALLOCATED AMATEUR
RADIO BANDS. Your prized amateur radio license is NO GOOD for
legal transmission of RF energy OUTSIDE of allocated amateur bands.

More info from Leonard H. Anderson, fountain of already known
information.

In fact, in some U.S. civilian radio services it is perfectly legal to
transmit RF energy WITHOUT a license of any kind!!! Sunovagun!

That's great. Go there. Do that.

Poor baby. Another Heilian rant shot down in flames.

Len, you wouldn't want it put to a vote about who is the r.r.a.p.
ranter.


You've misdefined your interest.

Not me. YOU. All wrong, Golem...er, I mean Frodo.

I HAVE defined my "interest" quite correctly.

That you totally refuse to believe it is not my problem. Yours.

You've have never stated your obvious interest: to post frequent,
lengthy items in a newsgroup about amateur radio.

Your intellectual presbyopia is glaringly obvious.

Is it as obvious as your obsessive-compulsive need to haunt an amateur
radio newsgroup?

You have interest in internet newsgroup posting.

No more so than regular physical exercise. :-)

Typing is your idea of regular physical excercise? :-) :-)

You have interest in outlining your past professional glories.

I've spent 51 years in professional radio-electronics activity and none
of it can qualify as "glorious."


I believe you. Now just sell that idea to yourself.


Intellectually INTERESTING, yes, and
some of it quite enjoyable. If some of it was more involved than what
you did, TS, that's the breaks of life.

....and if some of it was less interesting and less involved that what I
did, you'll have to live with it. Besides, I'm a radio amateur in
addition.

Maybe your distemper is flaring up again because I got assigned to
a very large HF transmitting facility while in the U.S. Army...and got
rank and responsibility operating many high-powered HF transmitters.
51 years ago. Before your first hamme raddio license. TS for you.

Your kidding, right?

You aren't involved in amateur radio.

Not involved in TRANSMITTING RF ENERGY ON ALLOCATED HAM
BANDS, true. :-)

Don't sweat it, Len. You can inhale some of that transmitted RF energy
on allocated ham bands with your trusty Icom receiver, as an SWL.

TRANSMIT, Baggins, TRANSMIT. Like in legal RF energy within
those tight, confining HF band bounds.

Oh, we're allowed to receive too, Len. It is actually highly encouraged
to do some of both. We can even turn the stuff off and watch a movie or
read a book. I have all the room I need within to tight, confining
amateur bands denied to you.

I'm just advocating the elimination of morse code testing for any radio
license but you desperately want to make that some kind of grande
production of drama and pathos, a giant mountain built out of a mole
hill of your old morse message blanks. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you try such
theatrics! Do you have an interest in the theater? :-)

"I'm just", "I'm just". Who asked you?

Do I have an interest in theater? Oh yes. My interest extends to
attending plays and watching films. I don't attempt to tell anyone
associated with theater how to act, nor would I attempt to outline how
regulations governing theater production or movie making should be
changed. I'd never call for a minimum age for actors either.

I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-)

They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you
can be.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:



I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-)

They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you
can be.

Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty
comments to others that don't agree with your views.

Your behavior remains constant at emotional tantrum level equal to
the average seven-year-old.

Try addressing SUBJECTS instead of the personalities who comment
against your views. Few care one whit about your perceived personal
affronts or the emotional injuries you seem to suffer while reading
these posts. Grow thicker skin.

Now go sit down in front of your tansceiver and have an oriongasm.

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-)

They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you
can be.

Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty
comments to others that don't agree with your views.

Poor Leonard. Unable to accept a simple statement of fact. It would
make no difference if you agreed with my views. You'd still have no
involvement in amateur radio.

Your behavior remains constant at emotional tantrum level equal to
the average seven-year-old.

Leonard, meet Leonard.

Try addressing SUBJECTS instead of the personalities who comment
against your views. Few care one whit about your perceived personal
affronts or the emotional injuries you seem to suffer while reading
these posts. Grow thicker skin.

So I'm to do as you say and not as you do. Is that it?

Now go sit down in front of your tansceiver and have an oriongasm.

I'll sit in front of it or not as I choose. I'll excercise the
privileges granted by my license or I won't given my mood. I'll do as I
like; you do as you can.

Dave K8MN