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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field
Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is,
you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One
Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three
alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them?
Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even
bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that
they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of
"roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of
the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number,
class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't
have to send but which are part of the required logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it
with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You
want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be
lids.

Alun, N3KIP

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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field
Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is,
you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One
Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three
alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them?
Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even
bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that
they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of
"roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of
the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number,
class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't
have to send but which are part of the required logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it
with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You
want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be
lids.

Alun, N3KIP

No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better
than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun?

Dan/W4NTI

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"N2EY" wrote in message
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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on
Field Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That
is, you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your
One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my
three alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them?
Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even
bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that
they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job
of "roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part
of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial
number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time
which you don't have to send but which are part of the required
logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do
it with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised.
You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops
to be lids.

Alun, N3KIP

No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is
better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun?

Dan/W4NTI



You are unbeleivable.

1) That ain't what you said; and

2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position.

If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who
thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they
say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic
cr*p in my entire life.

My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk. If
you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you were
into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the
whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to-
noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is
phone, or data or video, or whatever.

You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting
"not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than
CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly
better at carrying voice information than CW is.

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

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"N2EY" wrote in message
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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on
Field Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That
is, you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your
One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my
three alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them?
Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even
bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that
they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job
of "roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part
of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial
number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time
which you don't have to send but which are part of the required
logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do
it with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised.
You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops
to be lids.

Alun, N3KIP

No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is
better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun?

Dan/W4NTI



You are unbeleivable.

1) That ain't what you said; and

2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position.

If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who
thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they
say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic
cr*p in my entire life.

My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk.
If
you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you
were
into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the
whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to-
noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is
phone, or data or video, or whatever.

You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting
"not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than
CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly
better at carrying voice information than CW is.

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI

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"N2EY" wrote in message
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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on
Field Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That
is, you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your
One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my
three alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them?
Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even
bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that
they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job
of "roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part
of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial
number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time
which you don't have to send but which are part of the required
logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams
do
it with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised.
You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops
to be lids.

Alun, N3KIP

No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is
better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun?

Dan/W4NTI



You are unbeleivable.

1) That ain't what you said; and

2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position.

If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone
who
thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless
they
say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic
cr*p in my entire life.

My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk.
If
you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you
were
into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On
the
whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to-
noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is
phone, or data or video, or whatever.

You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting
"not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better
than
CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly
better at carrying voice information than CW is.

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI



Oh, and one more thing Alun. Why is it you don't think CW (Morse Code) is
talking ? Do you think we just sit in front of the radio and send random
characters? Or even random words?

Comunications is the 'exchange of information'. Are you actually that
ignorant Alun?

Dan/W4NTI

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"N2EY" wrote in message
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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear
on Field Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange.
That is, you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger
your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please
copy my three alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told
them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't
even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an
indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank
you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as
part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is
serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date
and time which you don't have to send but which are part of
the required logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real
hams do it with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not
surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all
of us phone ops to be lids.

Alun, N3KIP

No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone
is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun?

Dan/W4NTI



You are unbeleivable.

1) That ain't what you said; and

2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position.

If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that
anyone who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad
operator (unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I
have never heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life.

My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to
talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care
less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say
that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of
bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within
one type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or
whatever.

You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially
recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think
phone is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that
phone is not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than
CW is.

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI



Oh, and one more thing Alun. Why is it you don't think CW (Morse
Code) is talking ?

I'm not talking to you now either, just typing on a keyboard

Do you think we just sit in front of the radio and
send random characters? Or even random words?


I've never listened to you in QSO - you might for all I know

Comunications is the 'exchange of information'. Are you actually that
ignorant Alun?

Dan/W4NTI




Talking is communications, but not necessarily vicea versa

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"N2EY" wrote in message
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Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on
Field Day - but only one 'phone:

I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange.
That is, you'll hear:

"November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger
your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please
copy my three alfa ...."

Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told
them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in!

On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't
even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an
indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you)
which does the job of "roger" and "73" both.

--

One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as
part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is
serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and
time which you don't have to send but which are part of the
required logging.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams
do it with continous wave.

Dan/W4NTI




At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not
surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of
us phone ops to be lids.

Alun, N3KIP

No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is
better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun?

Dan/W4NTI



You are unbeleivable.

1) That ain't what you said; and

2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position.

If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone
who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator
(unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I have never
heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life.

My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to
talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care
less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say
that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of
bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within one
type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or
whatever.

You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially
recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone
is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is
not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than CW is.

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI




At least we know where we stand

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big snip

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI

An impasse?

Doesn't have to be. I'll go with Alun on this one.

You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI

Gentlemen ....gentlemen ......I think this can be solved in a civilized
manner ......What we need is a Texas Death Match. I would add a cage of
barbed wire (non-resonate) of course with the key to the locked door
suspended by 20 feet of ladder line above the center of the mat. There
would of course be allowed one foreign object per contestant. Dan my choice
for you would be a vintage Vibroplex bug attached to a 4 foot length of
quarter inch cable. Alun you of course would have to use the same cable set
up but with a D-104 at the end. We would let Alun fill the 104 with lead
shot to even things up. The winner would be presented with the World No Lid
Belt. Ya know this would probably be a lot more interesting than most
contests I have been involved with over the years.

Take care guys .....remember peace in the valley ..... Tom KI3R

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You know what, though, you are the lid.

Alun, N3KIP

And I think your a lid. Now what?

Dan/W4NTI

Gentlemen ....gentlemen ......I think this can be solved in a civilized
manner ......What we need is a Texas Death Match. I would add a cage of
barbed wire (non-resonate) of course with the key to the locked door
suspended by 20 feet of ladder line above the center of the mat. There
would of course be allowed one foreign object per contestant. Dan my
choice
for you would be a vintage Vibroplex bug attached to a 4 foot length of
quarter inch cable. Alun you of course would have to use the same cable
set
up but with a D-104 at the end. We would let Alun fill the 104 with lead
shot to even things up. The winner would be presented with the World No
Lid
Belt. Ya know this would probably be a lot more interesting than most
contests I have been involved with over the years.

Take care guys .....remember peace in the valley ..... Tom KI3R


I like that Tom.....I have both the key and the Mic. I'll let the lid
provide the cage.

Dan/W4NTI