From: on Nov 11, 7:21 am

wrote:
wrote:


ARRL has a VIRTUAL monopoly on United States amateur radio
publications. Has had that for years.

"CQ" magazine. "73" magazine. "ham radio" magazine. Bash books.
Gordon West publications. "Worldradio" publications. Ameco
publications.
W5YI.


"Ham Radio" magazine has been pronounced "defunct" by you. Now you
claim differently? And Bash, what is the copyright on the latest Bash
book?

Tsk, tsk. Note that Jimmie refused to capitalize the Ham
Radio magazine name. Ham Radio magazine ceased publication
in 1990. That was 15 years before now. Ham Radio had been
in continuous INDEPENDENT monthly publication for 22 years.

Irony is that the Ham Radio Bookstore got sold to CQ along
with HR and is still in business. HR continued with a
quarterly that became Communications Quarterly under the
CQ aegis, then merged with ARRL's QEX. CQ Communications
made a 3-disk CD on all 22 years worth of HR articles and
sells it over their Book Store for $150. ARRL resells the
same item. :-)

One has only to drop into any HRO and check out their
books-magazines rack/display. ARRL publications far
out-pace ALL others. Just a glance at the ARRL web page
will show books of all sorts on amateur radio for sale,
including fiction novels. The nearest competitor is CQ
Communications products through its Book Store via mail
order.

I do like World Radio and think "thier" SAR columns are excellent. I
need to subscribe to them now that the ARRL has lost my membership or
19 years. They should have let Carl run and take his chances with the
rest of the contenders. Last Straw. Too bad for the ARRL.

ARRL can do no wrong. Ever.

May Jimmie dwell in the house of the Board forever.

wrote:
From: on Nov 11, 7:21 am

wrote:
wrote:


ARRL has a VIRTUAL monopoly on United States amateur radio
publications. Has had that for years.

"CQ" magazine. "73" magazine. "ham radio" magazine. Bash books.
Gordon West publications. "Worldradio" publications. Ameco
publications.
W5YI.


"Ham Radio" magazine has been pronounced "defunct" by you. Now you
claim differently? And Bash, what is the copyright on the latest Bash
book?

Tsk, tsk. Note that Jimmie refused to capitalize the Ham
Radio magazine name. Ham Radio magazine ceased publication
in 1990. That was 15 years before now. Ham Radio had been
in continuous INDEPENDENT monthly publication for 22 years.

Longer than I've been a ham.

Irony is that the Ham Radio Bookstore got sold to CQ along
with HR and is still in business. HR continued with a
quarterly that became Communications Quarterly under the
CQ aegis, then merged with ARRL's QEX. CQ Communications
made a 3-disk CD on all 22 years worth of HR articles and
sells it over their Book Store for $150. ARRL resells the
same item. :-)

I guess "ham radio" magazine is only "defunct" when Jim needs it to be,
and a competing publishing house when it needs to be.

One has only to drop into any HRO and check out their
books-magazines rack/display. ARRL publications far
out-pace ALL others.

....combined.

Just a glance at the ARRL web page
will show books of all sorts on amateur radio for sale,
including fiction novels. The nearest competitor is CQ
Communications products through its Book Store via mail
order.

RSGB has a few offerings at Universal Electonics book section.

I do like World Radio and think "thier" SAR columns are excellent. I
need to subscribe to them now that the ARRL has lost my membership or
19 years. They should have let Carl run and take his chances with the
rest of the contenders. Last Straw. Too bad for the ARRL.

ARRL can do no wrong. Ever.

A wise American once said, "I will renew my membership no more,
forever!"

May Jimmie dwell in the house of the Board forever.



"Bored"

From: on Nov 11, 3:05 pm

wrote:
From: on Nov 11, 7:21 am
wrote:
wrote:


Tsk, tsk. Note that Jimmie refused to capitalize the Ham
Radio magazine name. Ham Radio magazine ceased publication
in 1990. That was 15 years before now. Ham Radio had been
in continuous INDEPENDENT monthly publication for 22 years.

Longer than I've been a ham.

A 22-year run as an independent in the hobby periodical
trade is pretty good. 22 years is enough time to
conceive a child, raise them from birth, and see them
to legal adulthood. Not good enough for Dudly the Imposter,
though...not Jimmie...and, now, not iitoi. :-)


I guess "ham radio" magazine is only "defunct" when Jim needs it to be,
and a competing publishing house when it needs to be.

According to this anony-mousie "iitoi," HAM RADIO
magazine DID NOT EXIST! :-)

Poor 'iitoi' is SO wanting to FIGHT on something that he
is now wanting to argue TYPE FONTS in Cover Graphics!

I wasn't "with" HR in all 22 years but I've corresponded
enough with founding Editor in Chief Jim Fisk (SK as
W1HR, that call a club call now) to have a LOT of
letterhead and logo information on what HAM RADIO magazine
called itself. As an Associate Editor under Alf Wilson
(W6NIF) and then Rich Rosen, there's more. I've got a
fair collection in paper (with real ink). But, the
subject of TYPE FONT and Cover Design Graphics never
came up. In ordinary typewriter type we would refer to
the magazine as "Ham Radio" with others and just Ham
Radio in inter-staff correspondence. Double-quotes are
a convention to ALSO mean italics when a typewriting
thingy doesn't have easy-changing type fonts. The
compensation checks I got had the title capitalized
and the Bank of America didn't fight with me on that. :-)

Iitoi now wants to FIGHT over the subject!

Maybe there's too much peyote lying around there.

Or lack of it?

I'm not going to FIGHT over Cover Graphic Design.

That's like arguing three ways from last Tuesday on the
flashy cabinet of a radio without once bothering with
what's INSIDE it. But, if their ignorance is so much
that they don't know what's between covers, they can
feel happy about "getting someone" in a newsgroup.

Just a glance at the ARRL web page
will show books of all sorts on amateur radio for sale,
including fiction novels. The nearest competitor is CQ
Communications products through its Book Store via mail
order.

RSGB has a few offerings at Universal Electonics book section.

I have a personal preference for RSGB publications for their
graphics and layout. A distinct preference for Pat Hawker's
column in Radio Communication (membership magazine of RSGB).
Hawker's column has carried a lot of very leading-edge
techniques done in Yurp as well as UK...Peter Martinez' trials
with the Gingell polyphase R-C network for SSB mod/demod and
Martinez' PSK31.


ARRL can do no wrong. Ever.

A wise American once said, "I will renew my membership no more,
forever!"

:-)


May Jimmie dwell in the house of the Board forever.

"Bored"

I'm getting that way with these mighty morsemen motivated
fighters. Jimmie be happy as proverbial clam if he can
word-fight...and now "iitoi" (whoever it be) wants to do same.

Wow, did I call this one or what!!!! This is classic Len-hoist-by-his-own-peyote! ("Peyote" is a John Wayne-style euro-descent mis-name - here the People call it mezcal.)

Follow along, boys and girls, and take a lesson in the Anderson technique of mistake-correction-squirm/misdirection.

(Opening) N2EY (correctly) referenced an out-of-publication by the name "ham radio" (uncapitalized).

A. (Mistake) Len surmises that somehow that's a "slight" of his association with the magazine. So, in order to gain some messaging points he picks a fight with N2EY about "refused to capitalize the Ham Radio magazine name".

(NB: Len wrote many damned good technical articles for "ham radio" --- "well done" to him on that score.)

B. (Correction) The magazine in question never called itself capitalized "Ham Radio" --- It's cover name and all internal references, masthead, copyright declarations, and other "branding" folderol used the un-capitalized "ham radio" and the the corporate name "hr publishing" adopted the same lower-case convention. I and N2EY both pointed this out to Len, along with web images of the actual magazine cover.

C. (Squirming and Misdirection) Presented with the facts, Len launches a long irrelevant monologue about Jim Fisk, obsolete typewriters, and paychecks, et. al., blows off the capitalization issue as not important (if it wasn't important, why did HE start the fight about it?), and exits declaring himself bored.

In the past month or so since I joined rrap I've been impressed several times with how smoothly Len follows this simple A-B-C script. Watch for it.

The Man in the Maze
QRV from Baboquivari Peak, AZ

PS: The correct name is Iitoi, not iitoi.

Iitoi wrote:
Wrote:

I'm getting that way with these mighty morsemen motivated fighters.
Jimmie be happy as proverbial clam if he can word-fight...and now
"iitoi" (whoever it be) wants to do same.



Wow, did I call this one or what!!!! This is classic
Len-hoist-by-his-own-peyote! ("Peyote" is a John Wayne-style
euro-descent mis-name - here the People call it mezcal.)

ah yes the stevie school of attack if you have nothing call your opentn
a drug user

different drug of course

"Opentn"? Maybe Mark meant "oponent"? I have no oponent here, only conversation mates.

But more important, let's show the girls and boys another example of Marks discombobulated mental processes.

Mark, please try to follow along. Ask one of the other children for help if you have trouble keeping pace with the conversation.

Note, boys and girls who first raised the notion of drug use. (Hint: It wasn't this correspondent.)

Then see the response.....

Now, girls and boys, please take Mark to the back of the room and explain who first suggested someone was a drug user. I'll allow you only a short period of time --- be back in your seats in 30-minutes.

The Man in the Maze
QRV from Baboquivari Peak

Iitoi wrote:
an old friend Wrote:

ah yes the stevie school of attack if you have nothing call your
opentn
a drug user


"Opentn"? Maybe Mark meant "oponent"? I have no oponent here, only
conversation mates.

you have oppenent wether you know it or not
dut
Len Anderson Wrote:

Iitoi now wants to FIGHT over the subject!

Maybe there's too much peyote lying around there.


Note, boys and girls who first raised the notion of drug use. (Hint:
It wasn't this correspondent.)

no in point of fact was Stevie aka Dudly aka the pisecie of chit


Iitoi

Iitoi wrote:
an old friend Wrote:
ah yes the stevie school of attack if you have nothing call your
opentn
a drug user


"Opentn"? Maybe Mark meant "oponent"? I have no oponent here, only
conversation mates.

But more important, let's show the girls and boys another example of
Marks discombobulated mental processes.

Mark, please try to follow along. Ask one of the other children for
help if you have trouble keeping pace with the conversation.

Len Anderson Wrote:
Iitoi now wants to FIGHT over the subject!

Maybe there's too much peyote lying around there.


Note, boys and girls who first raised the notion of drug use. (Hint:
It wasn't this correspondent.)

Then see the response.....

Iitoi Wrote:

This is classic! Len-hoist-by-his-own-peyote! ("Peyote" is a John
Wayne-style euro-descent mis-name - here the People call it mezcal.)



Now, girls and boys, please take Mark to the back of the room and
explain who first suggested someone was a drug user. I'll allow you
only a short period of time --- be back in your seats in 30-minutes.

The Man in the Maze
QRV from Baboquivari Peak

Now you've done it. You'll be forever branded by Mark as a "lier".

Dave K8MN

Iitoi wrote:
Wrote:

I'm getting that way with these mighty morsemen motivated fighters.
Jimmie be happy as proverbial clam if he can word-fight...and now
"iitoi" (whoever it be) wants to do same.



Wow, did I call this one or what!!!!

Yes, you did.

This is classic
Len-hoist-by-his-own-peyote! ("Peyote" is a John Wayne-style
euro-descent mis-name - here the People call it mezcal.)

Follow along, boys and girls, and take a lesson in the Anderson
technique of mistake-correction-squirm/misdirection.

Which is part of the larger cycle.

(Opening) N2EY (correctly) referenced an out-of-publication by the name
"ham radio" (uncapitalized).

A. (Mistake) Len surmises that somehow that's a "slight" of his
association with the magazine. So, in order to gain some messaging
points he picks a fight with N2EY about "refused to capitalize the Ham
Radio magazine name".

(NB: Len wrote many damned good technical articles for "ham radio" ---
"well done" to him on that score.)

B. (Correction) The magazine in question never called itself
capitalized "Ham Radio" --- It's cover name and all internal
references, masthead, copyright declarations, and other "branding"
folderol used the un-capitalized "ham radio" and the the corporate name
"hr publishing" adopted the same lower-case convention. I and N2EY both
pointed this out to Len, along with web images of the actual magazine
cover.

C. (Squirming and Misdirection) Presented with the facts, Len launches
a long irrelevant monologue about Jim Fisk, obsolete typewriters, and
paychecks, et. al., blows off the capitalization issue as not important
(if it wasn't important, why did HE start the fight about it?), and
exits declaring himself bored.

In the past month or so since I joined rrap I've been impressed several
times with how smoothly Len follows this simple A-B-C script. Watch for
it.

Yep, that's part of the classic profile. Here's some more bits:

1) Reference to others by made-up nicknames such as "Jimmie" and
"iitoi",
(lack of capitalization intentional), etc.

2) Bad catchphrases such as "mighty morsemen motivated fighters"

3) incorrect grammar such as "be happy as proverbial clam"

4) Long irrelevant detailed retaling of something Len did decades ago.

And the key point was not the capitalization at all, but that ARRL does
not, and has not, had a virtual monopoly on amateur radio publications.

Very predictable. In fact, there's a simple profile that pretty much
predicts Len's behavior in any newsgroup situation. It's appeared
here in rrap a few times.....

73 de Jim, N2EY

From: Iitoi on Nov 11, 7:58 pm


The Man in the Maze
QRV from Baboquivari Peak, AZ

PS: The correct name is Iitoi, not iitoi.

It is NOT, little brother.

At best it is Papago Pete or as a simple Basket Case...

In Tohono O'odham LEGENDS it goes something like this:

"The 'Man in the Maze' legend is of Iitoi, also known as Elder
Brother. Spared from death by his creator because of his true
and honest ways, he was chosen to help create the Hohokam
people from whom the Tohono O'odham descended, after a flood
killed all the other desert people who had turned sinful."

There's much more, including "Iitoi being placed on Baboquivari
mountain." [by the creator] Lovely add-on to legend on how
butterflies were created, very cute. :-)

Basket making is a long-honored tradition of the Tohono O'odham
and many of their baskets include a maze in the weaving design
with a crude figure of a person entering/leaving the maze...
hence the "Man in the Maze" as the LEGEND is known today.

In order to be capitalized as Iitoi, if you are not of Japanese
ancestry and bearing that Anglicized version of the Japanese
family name, then you have to be long dead and the stuff of
legends to use "Iitoi." You are none of those, hence the
uncapitalized "name" of iitoi to denote a LITTLE brother.

Are you the stuff of legend? Or just stuff? Maybe others
could use a "title/name" of some religion? How about Jesus
Christ himself? Or one of the apostles? How about "Sistah"
of Bhudda? Or Muhammad's own mountain? Not much basket
weaving about that, I realize, and little hope (or Hopi) for
profit (or prophet). Promoting yucca baskets is more
"mystical."

I realize that morse code radiotelegraphy is sometimes worshipped
as a legend, but I don't think "the People" will accept that.
You tell us, LITTLE brother. Do "the People" revere morse
code? Do they worship St. Hiram and the legendary "T.O.M.?"

Many Navajo call themselves The People. There can't be TWO
"People" can there? Do you ascribe "true and honest ways"
to the Navajo?

What do "The People" think of amateur radio periodical cover
designs and publishing logos? You seem to be hot to trot to
FIGHT over a periodical that stopped publishing 15 years ago.
Do "The People" think Ham Radio magazine is now the stuff of
legends?

Have you checked with Zenna Henderson on "The People?" She
wrote much about "The People." Unfortunately, those were not
of this earth.

By the way, I come from Chief Blackhawk country where the
Winnebago were "The People." Gee, that makes THREE "The
People!" Wow, legend-ary dispute!

I'm like bored with Jimmie Noserve and his never-ceasing
battle to save morsemanship in amateur radio. He is not
without sin yet he keeps on casting stones. He has the gall
to do it. May his gall stones give him pleasure.

Now, if I want to hear about "The People," I can find out from
some Hopi I'm acquainted with. But, I would rather read the
mysteries of Tony Hillerman and get all "The People" information
from Joe Leaphorn and Jim Chee thoughts while working with the
Navajo Tribal Police. More exciting reading (plus intellectual
puzzle fun) to read those novels than a lot of "legendary"
gall stone passers' output in this newsgroup.

Get those basket weavers to improve on the man in the basket
design, okay? Right now it looks like a little stick figure.
Don't try to "stick us" with some nonsense of "legends."