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Old August 30th 06, 06:34 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.scanner
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Default If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?

Example.

A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central Pacific
Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. Swain's Island had just been
approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio relay League] as a
separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies as an entry into the
various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC means you have submitted
written proof of confirmed contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or
more other countries [or entities].

The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then returned
home. There is no-one there today!

Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB?

Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted
three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the
dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets
the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added to the carrier. This addition
[modulation] produced two audio signals around the carrier. One above the
carrier, the other below the carrier. So, the resulting signal had the carrier
and one upper side band and one lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the
power of the audio. And the audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each
sideband. The resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier.

In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the
carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant
sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with
suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band]

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the
Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:


Dave Said:


As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community.


I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what it stand for, or what a DX community
is. Can you post some info or links on what this is/involves?


well even if you are pulling our chain it is better than a lot of the
stuff posted

DX isseeking out Distant contacts for an eXchange of very basic data
and ocollecting these conacts and esp proof of these conacts for
various awadrd the DX comunity obviously is those into chasing down
these DX contacts

Thanks,

noonespecial


http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


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Default If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?

Dave wrote:
Example.

A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central
Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL].


It was just last month, Dave.

Swain's Island
had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American
Radio relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it
qualifies as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime
award}. [DXCC means you have submitted written proof of confirmed
contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries
[or entities].


The "Ham radio Certificate Powers"?

The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then
returned home. There is no-one there today!


Really? The people who live there just up and left?

Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB?

Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band,
transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the
carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains
NO information, it just sets the dial frequency.


The carrier is just there for setting a dial frequency? How about if
one just transmitted ONE component, the carrier and then turned it on
and off and regular intervals. It might be possible to use the on/off
pulses to convey information, huh?

In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress
the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the
redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio
channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band]


Those "design techniques" were used as early as about 1927.

Where is all this going?

Dave K8MN
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Default If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?

I would like to add that DXing isn't limited to chasing awards. Some people
just like to find someone in a foreign country to ragchew with. One day I
was lucky enough to come across a gentleman in Italy who simply wanted to
talk not run a pileup. We spent about 1/2 an hour just chatting.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


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Example.

A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central
Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. Swain's Island
had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio
relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies
as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC
means you have submitted written proof of confirmed contacts with other
ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries [or entities].

The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then
returned home. There is no-one there today!

Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB?

Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band,
transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the
carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO
information, it just sets the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added
to the carrier. This addition [modulation] produced two audio signals
around the carrier. One above the carrier, the other below the carrier.
So, the resulting signal had the carrier and one upper side band and one
lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the power of the audio. And the
audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each sideband. The
resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier.

In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress
the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the
redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio
channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band]

wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the
Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:


Dave Said:


As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX
community.

I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what
it stand for, or what a DX community is. Can you post some info or links
on what this is/involves?


well even if you are pulling our chain it is better than a lot of the
stuff posted

DX isseeking out Distant contacts for an eXchange of very basic data
and ocollecting these conacts and esp proof of these conacts for
various awadrd the DX comunity obviously is those into chasing down
these DX contacts

Thanks,

noonespecial


http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/




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Default If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?

From: Dave on Wed, Aug 30 2006 10:34 am


Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB?

Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted
three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the
dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets
the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added to the carrier. This addition
[modulation] produced two audio signals around the carrier. One above the
carrier, the other below the carrier. So, the resulting signal had the carrier
and one upper side band and one lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the
power of the audio. And the audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each
sideband. The resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier.

In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the
carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant
sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with
suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band]


"Dave," your knowledge of Single Sideband is ferklempt.

The spectra of an amplitude modulated signal was mathematically
described by John R. Carson of AT&T before the 1920s. SSB,
including suppressed carrier, was USED by the telephone
infrastructure in the 1920s for long-distance lines. The most
common system, "C Carrier," had four separate 3 KHz voice
channels and would operate on the open-wire telephone lines
then common all over the world. This "C Carrier" was directly
adapted to HF radio in the early 1930s, the frequency-multiplexed
total signal converted to HF and amplified. The first HF SSB
radio link was put into service between the Netherlands and the
Netherlands Antilles carrying four voice channels or (to become
the later commercial-military standard of two voice and six to
eight TTY channels). While single-channel SSB was experimented
with before WW2, it didn't expand until after WW2 and a number
of US military contracts awarded to then-prominent radio makers
(Collins, RCA as two examples). Based on that success, the
amateurs took it up in the 1950s while the ARRL promoted the
false idea that "SSB was pioneered by radio amateurs."

Technically, your statement was faulty. Each "sideband" (the
spectra adjacent to the carrier) carries ONE QUARTER of the
total RF power output of single-channel SSB, not "half" in
normal AM. In normal AM the carrier is always constant in
amplitude. In normal AM receivers the "detector" stage is a
mixer, combining the carrier with the two sideband spectra
with the output lowpass filtered to yield the original audio
signal. Single-channel SSB usually suppresses the carrier
(almost to extinction) and the "detector" stage being fed an
equivalent constant-amplitude carrier signal from an internal
receiver oscillator. The mix products of carrier re-insertion
and the input single sideband spectra yield the original audio
modulation after lowpass filtering.

The important thing about single-channel SSB is that a
transmitter peak power output of RF need only be one-half
to on-quarter of a conventional AM transmitter to yield
the same demodulated audio signal level.

No morsemanship skill is necessary to use a single-channel
SSB radio. Today it is being used on the open sea by
both commercial and private boat/ship owners for voice
communications; also data, separate or multiplexed, for
written communications.



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