"ve3..." wrote:

On May 7, 1:48 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""
If you really want Canadians to cease their comments on US life, all
you have to do is stop posting anti-Canadian slanders on this website.
Then we will go away and tend to our own affairs. It is very simple.
Just stop!
....................................
As someone who works with Canadians every day, this statement is
simply not true.
There is not a day goes by that my Canadian colleagues take shots at the US. To date, without provocation.

Interesting. Are you working in Canada or the US? How come there are
so many Canadians in your work group? What kind of shots do they take?


I can't and won't speak for Peter, but I can speak for myself. I live
on the Front Range of Colorado. I was working a table at a hamfest
when a couple came up to me, he with a Canadian accent. It turns out
he was stationed at Cheyenne Mountain -- a joint US/Canadian command
-- and was also an active radio enthusiast.

I asked him how he was finding his experience in America to be, and
his wife just *exploded* on me about how stupid Americans are and a
stream of vile insults. He had to bodily remove her from the hamfest
site and came back to apologize.

I don't know what awful experience she had that set her off -- if any
-- but my experience with her sure left an impression on *me*.

....of course, there are the internet-tough-guys here as well --
mII/Michael Moore is mild. The worst was a guy known only as "Jim"
who I dubbed "Psycho Jim," who spent all his time here exulting about
how "Yanks" died in the Twin Towers and swearing like a Tourette's
patient.

....as for you, well, if you want to come here or are here, welcome!
Please do remember that you are a guest and act accordingly -- I do
the same when I'm in your fine country, and am as embarrassed by the
"Ugly Americans" as you should be by the "insecure Canadians" who spew
here.


--
Eric F. Richards

"Don't destroy the Earth! That's where I keep all of my stuff!"
- Squidd on www.fark.com

On May 7, 3:56 pm, Eric F. Richards wrote:
"ve3..." wrote:
On May 7, 1:48 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""
If you really want Canadians to cease their comments on US life, all
you have to do is stop posting anti-Canadian slanders on this website.
Then we will go away and tend to our own affairs. It is very simple.
Just stop!
....................................
As someone who works with Canadians every day, this statement is
simply not true.
There is not a day goes by that my Canadian colleagues take shots at the US. To date, without provocation.

Interesting. Are you working in Canada or the US? How come there are
so many Canadians in your work group? What kind of shots do they take?

I can't and won't speak for Peter, but I can speak for myself. I live
on the Front Range of Colorado. I was working a table at a hamfest
when a couple came up to me, he with a Canadian accent. It turns out
he was stationed at Cheyenne Mountain -- a joint US/Canadian command
-- and was also an active radio enthusiast.

I asked him how he was finding his experience in America to be, and
his wife just *exploded* on me about how stupid Americans are and a
stream of vile insults. He had to bodily remove her from the hamfest
site and came back to apologize.

I don't know what awful experience she had that set her off -- if any
-- but my experience with her sure left an impression on *me*.

...of course, there are the internet-tough-guys here as well --
mII/Michael Moore is mild. The worst was a guy known only as "Jim"
who I dubbed "Psycho Jim," who spent all his time here exulting about
how "Yanks" died in the Twin Towers and swearing like a Tourette's
patient.

...as for you, well, if you want to come here or are here, welcome!
Please do remember that you are a guest and act accordingly -- I do
the same when I'm in your fine country, and am as embarrassed by the
"Ugly Americans" as you should be by the "insecure Canadians" who spew
here.

--
Eric F. Richards

"Don't destroy the Earth! That's where I keep all of my stuff!"
- Squidd onwww.fark.com- Hide quoted text -

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EFR - Sounds like his Wife was unhappy
about being Stationed in the USA -and-
almost created a Tour-Ending-Event for
her Husband. ~ RHF

On May 6, 9:57 pm, m II wrote:
RHF wrote:
Now with Respect to America - Look down at the Soil
that you are standing on and Say : This Is Not America.
I Am A Canadian -and- I Need to Focus on Canada
First and Fix Canada First -before- I go off-the-deep-end
and Attack America and Americans for what is Rightfully
Their Nation and Their Business [.]

Attacking and destroying sovereign nations for oil is your business?
Pretty shameful business to be in. Why not try PAYING for it instead of
theft? I can hardly wait until you invade Canada for the WATER.

mike

M II - It's a Mean World Out There -and- They Big Boys
play the Game of Hardball with the Heads of the Meek.
~ RHF

ve3... wrote:
On May 7, 1:48 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""
If you really want Canadians to cease their comments on US life, all
you have to do is stop posting anti-Canadian slanders on this website.
Then we will go away and tend to our own affairs. It is very simple.
Just stop!
....................................
As someone who works with Canadians every day, this statement is
simply not true.
There is not a day goes by that my Canadian colleagues take shots at the US. To date, without provocation.

Interesting. Are you working in Canada or the US? How come there are
so many Canadians in your work group? What kind of shots do they take?


I'm in the US. My Canadian colleagues are north of the border.

They take the same shots you do. And will soon be free of my
business as a result.




.....................................
This is not to compare Canadians with Al Quaeda. That would be
absurd. Canadians are simply not committed enough to anything to take a conflict beyond nasty language.

This is an absurd statement. Canadians are currently fighting in
Afghanistan and were very active in Korea and WW II. They did not
fight in Iraq because the US invaded in defiance of the UN. The
Afghanistan war is sanctioned by the UN.



UN approval of warfare is as absurd as the Saskatchewan Navy.
That the UN sanctioned Afghanistan and not Iraq is laughable. Especially
in light of the number of UN resolutions defied by Iraq, and the direct
call for military action in response to non compliance within them.

And don't get too high about Canadian commitment. Comments by
your PM, and parliamentary candidates have been far less than supportive
in either theatre. But where the heavy lifting is to be done, is not
where Canadian troops are to be found.

And be sure to let me know when you come up with a single example
where Canadian troops led the fight, instead of following the path
blazed by US Marines.









Check the history of the group. The Canadians started their
criticism, ragging, and dismissive noise before anyone on this side of
the border ever said anything about them. Even DXAce hadn't made a
comment about Cana-DUH until several anti-US threads had developed.

I seem to have come along in the middle of this broughaha and
don't know the origins. That's the trouble with these vendettas. They
develop a life of their own. Rather like the Iraq war (Mission
Accomplished) which is not going as planned.


Typical high horse crack of someone who doesn't have the stomach
for taking the fight to the enemy. No war in the history of mankind, or
the knuckledraggers that preceded him has gone according to plan. To
expect anything like it is to live in a fantasy of media haze, where no
problem can't be solved in an hour, with 6 commercial breaks, and blood
comes out of a bottle from the props department.

Hard reality: War is messy. And it's ugly. And it's hell on
earth. But as undesireable as it may be, sometimes it is necessary. And
in the case of an enemy that will be satisfied only with American
deaths, anything less than lethal response will not be respected.

Anyone that doesn't like it can do without our commerce, and our
aid.





If you really understood economics, you'd shut your pie hole.

I may not be an Alan Greenspan, or better a Kenneth Galbraith, but
some facts about the US economy are worrisome. Some facts from the pie
hole:

1. The US national debt is clse to 8 trillion dollars and rising
rapidly.
2. The foreign trade deficit is about 800 billion dollars this year.
3. The manufacturing base of the US has been sent to China
4. The savings rate is negative for the first time in 70 years.
5. The value of the US dollar has dropped from $1.35 to the Euro to
0.81 . Gold is similar.
6. There has been no provision for future Social Security and
Medicare
7. Wages have been stagnant or declining since 1975.
8. The official inflation rate is a lie. True inflation is about 8%
9. China holds about 1 trillion dollars in US debt.

That is just a few items off the top of my head. Do you disagree with
any of them?


Not a one.

But the facts are not within context.

In a global economy, trade deficits do not exist. US has a
deficit in context of the US only. Globally, we import, someone exports
one commodity imports another from a third party. The third party
exports and imports from fourth and fifth parties. Each nation has their
own trade deficits and surplusses. Money changes hands all the way
around. Globally, the trade balance is zero. In which case, the real
money to be made is by the nation that conducts the most volume. That's
the US. Closely followed by Japan, and soon China.

China's percentage of US debt is offset by China's own debts
globally, much of which comes around to surplusses held by the US from
other countries doing business with China.

If each nation's trade was in balance, the global economy would
be static. In that, there is no growth. For there to be growth in an
economy, there has to be some debt, some imbalance to be filled.

As each nation's economy ebbs and flows economic opportunities
are formed. Here's where Capitalism has the advantage. Capitalism
permits individuals, or individual companies to seize opportunities,
fill needs and move with the economic ebb and flow. This generates
wealth, which generates further economic opportunity. If not stifled by
extreme income redistribution, the result is general economic boom.

Regarding the manufacturing base....some manufacturing jobs
have been sent to China, true. Quite a number, actually. Then, again,
look at the number of high wage, high skill manufacturing jobs moving
INTO the US from other nations. Germany is building more cars here than
in Germany, now. Japan is investing trillions in manufacturing in the
US. Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Mazda, to name but 5 Japanese
firms, have built plants in the US for manufacture here, and are
building more. Hyundai is building not one, but two major plants in the
US. Mercedes is building a second plant in the US as is BMW.

With those jobs come construction and engineering jobs,
manufacturing machine tool building jobs. Ancillary parts manufacturing
jobs. Accessory manufacturing jobs. As well as boutique manufacturing
jobs, like the building of aftermarket iPod interfaces for factory sound
systems by Peripheral and a half dozen more companies cashing in on the
iPod/vehicle phenomenon.

With those jobs come manufacturing jobs in other countries
providing parts and supplies, as well as consuming products for
inclusion in their own market places.

Looking at the jobs exiting the US to China, but not the
number of jobs moving to, and through other countries, including the US
is disingenuous at best. Misleading, and dishonest at worst.

Again, typical of the man on the high horse.


There never was a provision for Social Security or Medicare.
By design of Roosevelt himself, they were to be temporary solutions to a
Depresssion Era economy during war time. NOT long term solutions. Far,
Far better solutions are to be found in the private sector than those
provided by the Goverment.

Savings are, indeed, in the negative for the first time in
history. This owing to more active income provision for retirement.
Investments are replacing savings. By the recommendations of money
managers, and financial analysts themselves, who have been pointing out
for decades that 9% in the market will double your money in 10 years.
While 3% in savings will not.

Most households own stocks, now, rather than savings. Again,
looking at the individual line item, rather than the full statement,
tells only a fraction of the story.


.
I have ignored your geopolitical comments as they are not germane to
our discussion.



Uh huh....of course. The debate is over. And the science is
settled,eh? Again, typical of the man on the high horse...where
defense is not possible, declare discussion at an end.


Must be related to AlGore.

On May 7, 12:56Â*am, dxAce wrote:
m II wrote:
RHF wrote:

Now with Respect to America - Look down at the Soil
that you are standing on and Say : This Is Not America.
I Am A Canadian -and- I Need to Focus on Canada
First and Fix Canada First -before- I go off-the-deep-end
and Attack America and Americans for what is Rightfully
Their Nation and Their Business [.]

Attacking and destroying sovereign nations for oil is your business?
Pretty shameful business to be in. Why not try PAYING for it instead of
theft? I can hardly wait until you invade Canada for the WATER.

It must be bad water! Look what it did to you all.

M II - Invade Canada for the Water - Haaaaaaaaaaa !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...-Canada_border
Kindly do a Geography Review of the US/Canadian
Border - A good deal of Canada's Water flows freely
into the USA.

But if you insist we can resurrect 54° 40′ Or Fight !
http://geography.about.com/od/politi...440orfight.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute
From Sea-to-Shining-Sea - God {Allah} Bless America
and our future Canadian Dominions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
Why - American's Love Canada and Canadians
so much {How Much . . . } We Want to Make
You All Part of the USA and Americans too.
Plus we have 12-20 Million Illegal Aliens from
Mexico that will help to Populate all those empty
spaces in Canada.

oh canada ! - we love you ~ RHF
.
.
.. .

On May 7, 9:02 am, "ve3..." wrote:
On May 6, 7:08 pm, RHF wrote:

Now with Respect to America - Look down at the Soil
that you are standing on and Say : This Is Not America.
I Am A Canadian -and- I Need to Focus on Canada
First and Fix Canada First -before- I go off-the-deep-end
and Attack America and Americans for what is Rightfully
Their Nation and Their Business [.]

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""
If you really want Canadians to cease their comments on US life, all
you have to do is stop posting anti-Canadian slanders on this website.
Then we will go away and tend to our own affairs. It is very simple.
Just stop!
But if you continue, you will be subjected to painful home truths
For example:

Fact #1... the US national debt is currently $8,819,577,906,180.
That's
8 trillion dollars. Every person in the US owes $29,221.76.
And that doesn't include the trillions coming due for Social Security
and Medicare.
You can't do business with people who don't have any money. But they
can send in their army and steal your stuff....but for how long?

VE3,

You are quickly evolving and changing from a Canadian
into a Can-A-Duh-Ian : Posting Anti-American 'factoids'
and Preaching Hate for Americans.

World Problems are World Problems and they simply
can not be Solved in this NewsGroup by any of us.

However, this Being a Shortwave Radio Listener's (SWL)
Forum - We can Talk About; Debate and Argue About
All Things Shortwave while simply enjoying ourselves
and having fun Listening to Our Radios.

ve3 - please get-over-it - i like you better as a canadian
and a shortwave listener ~ RHF

ve3... wrote:
On May 7, 1:48 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""
If you really want Canadians to cease their comments on US life, all
you have to do is stop posting anti-Canadian slanders on this website.
Then we will go away and tend to our own affairs. It is very simple.
Just stop!
....................................
As someone who works with Canadians every day, this statement is
simply not true.
There is not a day goes by that my Canadian colleagues take shots at the US. To date, without provocation.

Interesting. Are you working in Canada or the US? How come there are
so many Canadians in your work group? What kind of shots do they take?
.....................................
This is not to compare Canadians with Al Quaeda. That would be
absurd. Canadians are simply not committed enough to anything to take a conflict beyond nasty language.

This is an absurd statement. Canadians are currently fighting in
Afghanistan and were very active in Korea and WW II. They did not
fight in Iraq because the US invaded in defiance of the UN. The
Afghanistan war is sanctioned by the UN.


Check the history of the group. The Canadians started their
criticism, ragging, and dismissive noise before anyone on this side of
the border ever said anything about them. Even DXAce hadn't made a
comment about Cana-DUH until several anti-US threads had developed.

I seem to have come along in the middle of this broughaha and
don't know the origins. That's the trouble with these vendettas. They
develop a life of their own. Rather like the Iraq war (Mission
Accomplished) which is not going as planned.


If you really understood economics, you'd shut your pie hole.

I may not be an Alan Greenspan, or better a Kenneth Galbraith, but
some facts about the US economy are worrisome. Some facts from the pie
hole:

1. The US national debt is clse to 8 trillion dollars and rising
rapidly.
2. The foreign trade deficit is about 800 billion dollars this year.
3. The manufacturing base of the US has been sent to China
4. The savings rate is negative for the first time in 70 years.
5. The value of the US dollar has dropped from $1.35 to the Euro to
0.81 . Gold is similar.
6. There has been no provision for future Social Security and
Medicare
7. Wages have been stagnant or declining since 1975.
8. The official inflation rate is a lie. True inflation is about 8%
9. China holds about 1 trillion dollars in US debt.

That is just a few items off the top of my head. Do you disagree with
any of them?

Interesting (and to the best of my knowledge) all true statements. If
you are expecting any kind of *factual* rebuttal from the name-callers
however, please don't hold your breath--unless you want to suffocate.

Eric F. Richards wrote:


...as for you, well, if you want to come here or are here, welcome!
Please do remember that you are a guest and act accordingly -- I do
the same when I'm in your fine country, and am as embarrassed by the
"Ugly Americans" as you should be by the "insecure Canadians" who spew
here.

Eric,
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. My only question for you is are the
Canadians "insecure and spewing" or just telling what *they* perceive as
(unpleasant) truths that *we* may not enjoy hearing???

ve3...wrote:


But if you continue, you will be subjected to painful home truths
For example:

Fact #1... the US national debt is currently $8,819,577,906,180.
That's 8 trillion dollars. Every person in the US owes $29,221.76.
And that doesn't include the trillions coming due for Social
Security and Medicare.

RHF wrote:

VE3,

You are quickly evolving and changing from a Canadian into a
Can-A-Duh-Ian : Posting Anti-American 'factoids'

They are legitimate facts of public record, not "factoids". Nor are they
anti-American, just plain, basic, actual financial facts.

and Preaching Hate for Americans.

Where do you see the hate? They are just facts, possibly unpleasant for
you to hear, but certainly not "hate"...sometimes the truth hurts.
Accept that and quit being such a cry-baby.

RHF wrote:

Sadly this is the type of Post that should have all
good Canadians distance themselves from you.


The insincere moron has already apologized once for his stupidity. I,
like an idiot, accepted it. I should have known better. The prick has no
honour.


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From: "beerbarrel"
Date: 9 Dec 2005 07:46:44 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 10:46 am
Subject: Last post that I will make for awhile....


It's to mII. I apologize to you and your mother for that posts that I
made. I also apologize to and Cancer victims that I might have upset.
Please forgive me for that attacks...

Tracy
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