All this noise about HD.. bla, bla, bla...

The public doesn't care about hd, because there's nothing worth listening
too..

So if nobody is listening how could their be any complaints..

On Oct 8, 3:36 am, "~ RHF" wrote:

D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY !
while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio
Station.

What's the revenue model? Is the team going to pay for it like an
SCA? Or is it supposed to self-support on sales?

What programming will be so compelling that (let's say) 10,000 Raiders
fans will get HD radios just to hear it? Will there be two such
stations in this area or just one shared between the two teams?

"Eric C. Weaver" wrote in message
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On Oct 8, 3:36 am, "~ RHF" wrote:

D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY !
while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio
Station.

What's the revenue model? Is the team going to pay for it like an
SCA? Or is it supposed to self-support on sales?

What programming will be so compelling that (let's say) 10,000 Raiders
fans will get HD radios just to hear it? Will there be two such
stations in this area or just one shared between the two teams?


I have serious doubts as to the viability of such a venture. The games are
already carried on TV and radio, including pre and post game shows. I really
can't feature anyone paying a bunch of extra money for yet another radio to
hear pretty much what they already get on their $40 boom box they've had for
years.

On Oct 21, 7:03*am, "Eric C. Weaver" wrote:
On Oct 8, 3:36 am, "~ RHF" wrote:

D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY !
while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio
Station.

What's the revenue model? * Is the team going to pay for it like an
SCA? *Or is it supposed to self-support on sales?

What programming will be so compelling that (let's say) 10,000 Raiders
fans will get HD radios just to hear it? *Will there be two such
stations in this area or just one shared between the two teams?

'fan' = FANATIC = Rabid NFL Fans = Advertisers

New Dallas Cowboy's Stadium Costs One Billion Dollars
-and- you ask where the money will come from
for a 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio Channel
{one word : peanuts} ;-) ~ RHF

IBOC - FM HD-Radio Will Come-of-Age Around 2015
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...70bdb32c6cf8bb
and the CPB & NPR funded by the US Congress
will be leading the way . . . with more Power
and many more HD-2 Channels serving all
that 'Public Interest' ~ RHF

On Oct 19, 1:16�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
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On Oct 17, 2:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:





"HD Radio Farce" wrote in
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On Oct 16, 12:10?pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

"HD Radio Farce" wrote in
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On Oct 9, 1:41?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:

"John Higdon" wrote in message

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In article
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"~ RHF" wrote:

FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are
about Expanding the FM Radio Business
and the minor technical issues are simply
the cost of doing more business.

The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such
interference
a "minor technical issue".

Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their
protected
contours?

Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners
complaints at the FCC?
Bob Savage WYSL for one.

#1...he is not a listener.

#2....why is he the only example that gets brought up when someone asks
about the so-called intereference.

#3.....WYSL is a badly designed facility that is attempting to service a
market from 25 miles out of town with, what, 500 watts?

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"Midwest Television, licensee of KFMB(AM), a Class B in San Diego, has
submitted a second interference complaint to the commission about
Kiertron, licensee of KBRT(AM), a Class D in


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You certainly seem worrired about all of those cut-and-pastes -


Not worried about them...just tired of them, your just adding white noise..

This is a discussion group....not a hit & run group.

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LOL! You need to try a more original personal attack - I've already
heard that one! LOL!

On Oct 19, 1:15�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ...
On Oct 17, 2:39?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:





"HD Radio Farce" wrote in
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On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:

Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving
a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations
signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being
protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise &
they
think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience
research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to
mid
60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio
more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can
no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message

...

Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving
a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think
it's
weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write
home
about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I
listen
to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer
choices
on the dial.

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?Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance?

Is this directed at me?

Nope. ?None of them. ?I have no allegiances. ?I just get a kick out of
playing rope-a-dope with the HD haters like you. ?;-)

Now a question for you:

-Do you have a job?

-Do you have a life?

-Do you have a family...or a spouse...or are you simply obsessivbely
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I love all of this attention! Typical of IBOC boosters to launch a
series of personal attacks, when they have no counter-arguments. I've
heard it all - LOL!

I love this denial of reality! �Typical of HD radio nutcakes to ignore the
arguments put forth and the realies presented and launch a series of
cut/pastes when they can't engage in a discussion. �Post a& run!

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Are those "bots" from Clear Channel, General Motros, Ford, DOJ, FCC,
etc, etc..? LOL!

On Oct 19, 1:19�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ...
On Oct 17, 2:33?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:





I am more up-to date than you could imagine.

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and
virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.
No, I'M much more up-to-date than YOU could ever imagine:

There are still people in this newsgroup that bemoan stereo.!!

Let's ask the 25,000 visitors that I have gotten from around the
world.

The visitors don't all agree with you. ?Most of them are bots.

Oh, really - here's my Google Analytics since June 2009:

http://tisnyurl.com/yfyheqe


Probably just people (like me) who went to your site to see who the HD radio
nutcake really is!

And we found out! �Just anonother anonymous blogger who likes to play fast
and loose with facts, is far from the reality of the broadcast business, and
lives in his others basement!

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You're right - all of those bogus articles from Radio World, RBR,
DIYmedia, etc... LOL!

On Oct 19, 1:20*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ...
On Oct 17, 2:40?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:





"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote in
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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
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On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving
a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations
signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being
protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise &
they
think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about
interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience
research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is
no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to
be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to
mid
60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio
more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the
dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can
no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message

...

Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving
a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think
it's
weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They
just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to
be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write
home
about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I
listen
to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer
choices
on the dial.

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?WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers
WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc...

but you left out the important element....where!

if this is dx...then please realioze that the fcc and owner/operators
does
not care about dx-ers and hobbyists.

you are trying to hang onto the past.

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Listener complaints

http://stopiboc.com/documents/iboccomdments.pdf


Wow...more anonmous complaints...on an anonymous blog!

Don't you love the internet!

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stopiboc.com is not an anonymous blog - if you visited stopibc.com you
would see thatr it is run by Bob Savage WYSL. Like Struble, you talk
out of your ass:

"HD Radio Initiatives: Today's New Opportunities"

"Struble began the session by citing the latest HD radio sales and
broadcaster data. He noted that while sales of HD Radios are sharply
increasing, especially with the new portable Best Buy Insignia and
Zune HD models, the economy and declining station revenues have slowed
adoption a bit on the broadcaster side. We’re selling millions, but we
need to be selling in the tens of millions.”

http://tinyurl.com/yjpsuvz

"Struble: Radio Is the Last Analog Medium Standing"

"Insignia HD — I think this will be a nice little interim step for
jogging or working out. It proves the viability [of the technology]
and hopefully we'll get sales; but no, this is not going to sell in
the hundreds of thousands... Radio alone — the sad reality of where it
is — as a standalone device, it just doesn't exist anymore as a
category. Nobody goes into Best Buy and says 'Where's the radio
department?'"

http://www.rwonline.com/article/87370

So, which is it, Bob Struble? I think we all know the answer - LOL!

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On Oct 16, 1:52?pm, "D. Peter Maus"
wrote:

On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote:

Dave Barnett wrote:
Is there some big up-front payment you have
to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost
anything close to $100K?

? ?Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a
separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers.

? ?Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right
to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary.
"I-Bust or H-Doomed"
"In these trying times, it should be

Another cut/paste by the HD nut.
"Another cut/paste by the HD nut."
At least, I don't obsessively cut-and-paste the same thing over and

over - LOL!

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I just post valid articles, and do not give personal opinions for
legal reasons - therefore, my blog falls under Section 230 protections
of Federal Law: http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/230

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On Oct 16, 2:25?pm, HD Radio Farce wrote:

On Oct 16, 3:22 pm, "D. Peter Maus"
wrote:

On 10/16/09 14:07 , John Higdon wrote:

Oh, and don't forget the studio, the new digital STL, monitoring
equipment, and the fact that HD equipment currently in the field is
notoriously unreliable. Fortunately, most stations don't care that
much
because their three HD listeners don't phone in to complain.

You know what's really interesting about that whole HD Listener
thing,...is that people see this as an opportunity for a station to
garner new revenues by attracting new listeners.

Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives.

First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are
not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken
from some pre-existing program source. Any new programming outlet
steals it's listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally,
stations are hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the
HD streams.

What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well,
while a listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream
DOES keep that listener within the company, it takes that listener
from the programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the
programs of LOW advertising rates. Enough listeners make that shift,
and the baseband channel's advertising rates fall. Meanwhile the HD
stream's rates are abysmally low mostly because there is virtually
no listenership. Most advertising on HD at the moment is value added
to the baseband's sales packages. That which isn't, is low rated.
And the advertising revenues per spot are dramatically less than the
revenues per spot on the baseband.

So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of
it's revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that
can't begin to replace the lost revenue from the baseband.

How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is
beyond me. Hell, when I was at CBS, we reused the toner in the copy
machine, for cryin' out loud. Drop $100,000 + on HD and then let it
siphon off the ad rates?

C'mon.

- Exactly, as there is something called ION!

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"We Might Want to Keep an Eye on ION"

"If the commission embraces the notion that secondary digital streams
really do constitute separate



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And, a good one - here's more on that from Pargon Media Strategies,
which said the same thing: http://www.paragonmediastrategies.co...p=437#more-437