On 6/6/2011 3:40 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/6/2011 1:54 PM, John Smith wrote:



Even if I concede that is what Einstein meant, (I don't)
all that does is move the goalpost...Who created the creator?

To me, anyone who is capable of free thought and is intellectually
honest will admit that they just don't know the answer to the question
of what started everything.

To say 'god did it', is just giving up.


Your constant attempts to work the edges, to peel up the logic and
reason is dishonest.

You can say THAT and then post THIS with a straight face?



Einstein simply, in looking at the structure(s), laws and principals
which he sees, and is overwhelmed at the mind and intelligence it would
take to create such


Of course you have a cite for this....Right?



and that such is the only reason conceivable for
its' existence ... I know of no comments or text of his which ventures
to understand "the creation of the creator", or claim he has a theory on
where the creators mind comes from, of from what it is formed.


Of course he never said that...You did.
So who created YOUR creator?



He is simply forced into accepting things as they are, appear, and what
proofs exist in these observations ... and why he was brought to allow
for intelligent design.


You know, I'd ask for a cite (I know you don't have one) but
really who gives a **** what some dead physicist's religious
views were?

I'm more interested in why YOU believe in god, why YOU believe
in intelligent design, and why YOU believe in ether.

Well?


The religion of atheism, and a specific definition of "atheism"
encompasses the denial of a creator, an intelligence which designed and
constructed all which we see, keeps those who have found a religious
belief in atheism of allowing for anything, other than accident, chance,
luck and spontaneous generation


I'd say, accident, chance, luck and time...Lots and lots of time.


... obviously, Einstein refused to make
the leap of faith into that/those principle(s.)

To make any progress in any direction, one must first see the reality
and truths of what lie before their senses, to refuse simply because
"you can't believe what your eyes and senses tell you, is a religious
belief in and of itself!


I look around with eyes open and I see absolutely zero evidence for
and gods. If you have evidence for these mythical creatures, bring
it forth. If not, you're merely reciting fairy tales.

Yes, we are already quite familiar with your rants, opinions, personal
attacks, off the wall comments, fantasies, visions, etc.

I am sure you will have something of importance to post in the future ...


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Regards,
JS
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