On Jun 4, 1:42*am, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 7:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote:











Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually
intended to be lethal from the very get go.

These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns
have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each
and every word they have to say. *The last thing they want to allow is
any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than
peer approved by those which they worship as gods. *So there's a wee
little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit
different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any
K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to
be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their
mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way.

Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for
the most part got it and then some.

William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available
truth(s) in K12 textbook format.

Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT
conclude that you are insane? *And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane.

--
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You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every
bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler?

Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and
public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane?

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On Jun 3, 6:23*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote:









On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

space = (truly) empty

If that were true you might have a point, but it's not.

Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to
cite.

Space doesn't bend, the ether does

There is no ether.

... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend?

Space isn't "nothing".

This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while
back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love
ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be
used in any way as a value in a computation, why use
it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the
hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as
well.

Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the
earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! *And, it has nothing to
do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. *The UTF will
probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the
ether ...

Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for
that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space.
Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices
which utilize the properties, once we understand them.

You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive
a car." *The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent ...

Ask them what the all-inclusive saturation or density of photos is per
ISM or per IGM km3.

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:25:43 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
:

D. Peter Maus wrote:

Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct.
That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight
lines.

That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it.
;-)

Since there is nowhere free from both matter and energy,
there aren't.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:21:31 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith :

On 6/3/2011 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:35:26 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John :

On 6/2/2011 9:59 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:34:10 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John :

On 6/2/2011 9:25 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Space does not bend.



Einstein disagreed.



Really?

Yes, really; Einstein showed that space bends, and therefore
disagreed with the statement that "Space does not bend".

snip

This is where the confusion begins, too many think:

space = (truly) empty

If that were true you might have a point, but it's not.

Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to
cite.

Space doesn't bend, the ether does

There is no ether.

... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend?

Space isn't "nothing".

NO, it isn't, because it is FULL of ether ... space, if possible, by
itself is nothing.

What you are referring to IS ether, you simply name it space

Actually, that's what nearly every scientist names it;
"ether" was shown to be nonexistent (or to have zero effect
on anything measurable, which is the same thing) over a
century ago,

... yes,
there is precedent for calling "ether", "space", an error which has been
repeated countless times, and you supply absolute evidence of.

Regards,
JS
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:23:12 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith :

On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:


space = (truly) empty

If that were true you might have a point, but it's not.

Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to
cite.

Space doesn't bend, the ether does

There is no ether.

... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend?

Space isn't "nothing".


This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while
back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love
ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be
used in any way as a value in a computation, why use
it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the
hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as
well.

Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the
earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! And, it has nothing to
do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. The UTF will
probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the
ether ...

Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for
that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space.

EM radiation doesn't require a propagation medium.

Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices
which utilize the properties, once we understand them.

You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive
a car." The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent ...
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

On Jun 4, 11:40*am, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:23:12 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith :









On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

space = (truly) empty

If that were true you might have a point, but it's not.

Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to
cite.

Space doesn't bend, the ether does

There is no ether.

... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend?

Space isn't "nothing".

This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while
back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love
ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be
used in any way as a value in a computation, why use
it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the
hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as
well.

Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the
earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! *And, it has nothing to
do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. *The UTF will
probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the
ether ...

Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for
that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space.

EM radiation doesn't require a propagation medium.

Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices
which utilize the properties, once we understand them.

You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive
a car." *The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent ....

--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * - McNameless

What's the all-inclusive population or average photon density per
given km3 of ISM, or better to know that of the IGM? (I'm talking of
accounting for everything from at least EIR/ELF [1km] to those
extremely hard Gamma of .001 nm)

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On Jun 4, 11:36*am, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:25:43 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
:

D. Peter Maus wrote:

* Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct.
That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight
lines.

That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it.
;-)

Since there is nowhere free from both matter and energy,
there aren't.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * - McNameless

Exactly, whereas everything is in orbit around something, or being
converted and/or reflected by something. Unless pi works out to an
even prime number, there's no such thing as a straight line.

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In article 265fee09-eebe-493b-a782-418cb0118492@
22g2000prx.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 4, 1:42*am, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 7:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote:











Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually
intended to be lethal from the very get go.

These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns
have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each
and every word they have to say. *The last thing they want to allow is
any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than
peer approved by those which they worship as gods. *So there's a wee
little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit
different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any
K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to
be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their
mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way.

Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for
the most part got it and then some.

William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available
truth(s) in K12 textbook format.

Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT
conclude that you are insane? *And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane.

--
"OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every
bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler?

Why are you lumping me in with 3 repubs and a Nazi Brad?

Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and
public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane?

http://www.wanttoknow.info/
http://translate.google.com/#
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And there you go Brad, totally proving his point.

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On Jun 4, 12:16*pm, BDK wrote:
In article 265fee09-eebe-493b-a782-418cb0118492@
22g2000prx.googlegroups.com, says...











On Jun 4, 1:42*am, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 7:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually
intended to be lethal from the very get go.

These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns
have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each
and every word they have to say. *The last thing they want to allow is
any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than
peer approved by those which they worship as gods. *So there's a wee
little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit
different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any
K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to
be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their
mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way.

Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for
the most part got it and then some.

William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available
truth(s) in K12 textbook format.

Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT
conclude that you are insane? *And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane..

--
"OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every
bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler?

Why are you lumping me in with 3 repubs and a Nazi Brad?



Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and
public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane?

*http://www.wanttoknow.info/
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And there you go Brad, totally proving his point.

--
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Since when are you on our side?

You obviously think them dirty rotten Russians were always out to get
us. Got any proof other than defending themselves from Semites?

btw; you don't have to be republican to be a born-again Nazi.

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On 6/4/2011 11:39 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
NO, it isn't, because it is FULL of ether ... space, if possible, by
itself is nothing.

What you are referring to IS ether, you simply name it space

Actually, that's what nearly every scientist names it;
"ether" was shown to be nonexistent (or to have zero effect
on anything measurable, which is the same thing) over a
century ago,

... yes,
there is precedent for calling "ether", "space", an error which has been
repeated countless times, and you supply absolute evidence of.

Regards,
JS

EINSTEIN SAID:
"Therefore, instead of speaking of an ether, one could equally well
speak of physical qualities of space. Now one could take the position
that all physical objects fall under this category, because in the final
analysis in a theory of fields the ponderable matter, or the elementary
particles that constitute matter, also have to be considered as ‘fields’
of a particular kind, or as particular ‘states’ of the space."

So, now, what is up? Is there a particular school which is mandatory
where you people come from? Something like, "The University of Morons?"

In Einsteins words, above, you must first move ether into the area of
"ponderable" ... as now we have no frame of reference to even begin to
study or understand it. We need to secure our first sample in some sort
of "bottle", with equipment which can detect it.

Einstein already acknowledges it, indeed, he acknowledges his theory of
relativity is not valid without "gravitational ether."

Because we cannot "see" ether at this time is nowhere near proof of its'
non-existence ... you are much like the "old doctors" who refused to
believe in germs because they could not be seen nor detected.

Or, the state of science before x-rays were discovered, we simply lived
in ignorance of them.

Only morons state the "non-discovery, to date" of something as "proof it
doesn't exist!"

And, yet, you seem to have no problem that all that looks "logical" to you?

ROFLOL

--

Regards,
JS
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the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the
government.” -- Patrick Henry