Len Over 21 wrote:

In article et, "KØHB"
writes as if he just had a colorectal examination
with a fully warmed-up 100 W American Beauty soldering iron:

"Brian" wrote

She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot.
Wonder if she is an official bulletin station?

And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher.

OLD one, Brian Burke is his own man. He states an opposite
opinion from the "official" Newington spin on how amateurism
in radio is "supposed to be."

....as compared to your own "unofficial" west coast spin on how
amateurism in radio is "supposed to be"--That in your "unofficial"
capacity as non-participant in amateur radio and non-member of the ARRL.


Therefore, you, as a Devout Believer
in the glory and honor and mysticism of amateurism, must
chastise the UNbelievers...and call them "unabashers" for not
accepting the legends, mythos, and religious traditions of radio
as "officially" stated by ARRL publications.

The above is just one example of the type material which sets you apart
as a flake beyond compare.

Somewhere in the past you were often saying "gentlemen can
disagree without being disagreeable." You, sir, are being terribly
disagreeable, ergo you are NO gentleman.

Len, meet Len.

I want you to be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you should be "aware" of how others see you, OLD
man, and that others are quite aware you are NOT the CNO of
any rrap party.

Maybe you'll agree to stand as a candidate opposing Hans' role here.
We can take an informal r.r.a.p. vote. I think the poll will surprise
you, kindly old gent.

It goes like this: LHA is the
organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington
Won't Give It Back".

"Newington" had absolutely nothing to do with ACAN or ADA, super
chief. ARRL had NOTHING to do with any other places I worked in
the last half century nor the people I worked WITH from DoD and
other branches of the U.S. government.

By golly, I think we're starting to make some progress. Your frank
admissions reveal you as a man whose path toward enlightenment has
begun.

The BoD of a small town
club in New England would be lost trying to carry even half the traffic
load of the third largest U.S. Army transmitter site in the world 50
years ago.

We haven't been discussing the board of a small town club in New
England. We've been discussing the largest organization of American
radio amateurs. Did ADA have a board of directors elected by members of
the Army?

All that the League seems to know is that on-off keying
code is the ultimate "art" of radio because that is what they spin off
on their membership, covertly and overtly.

You're fabricating, Leonard.

You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping
up and down and acting silly for our amusement.

You are being truly a contentious OLD fart in here, trolling desperately
for someone to despise...and then doing a poor job of denigration.

Len, meet Len.

With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs,

And here's "best wishes" for some education that might penetrate
a code-warped psyche housing in regards to: (1) voice modulated
transmitters of 1906; (2) cell phone differences between power-up
and first cell-connect; (3) so-called "one-way" ionospheric radio
propagation paths; (4) assorted little gems of radio disinformation
that you haven't recognized in the past nor admit to making mistakes
on in public.

I seem to recall you getting blown out of the water on items one through
three. I have no idea of what item four means.

I've not commented in this subject thread before, only on the 14
petitions before the FCC thread (as its origininator). The NPRM or
whatever as a result of those petitions will decide the FUTURE of
radio amateurism in the USA. While the REGULARS in the jolly
little chatroom of morseaholics are busy puffing themselves up about
their marvelous experience and tenure in on-offing the radio waves,
the future is sneaking up on everyone. All you are doing lately is
just behaving like one of your iceholes in the wintertime.

What is any of this to you? You aren't a radio amateur. You aren't a
member of the ARRL. That hasn't stopped you from huffing and puffing.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

What is any of this to you? You aren't a radio amateur. You aren't a
member of the ARRL. That hasn't stopped you from huffing and puffing.

I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

What is that to you?

You've already passed morse code tests.

You are the ultimate amateur.

You might have been a professional once, but you could not even
get a job with an amateur organization.

No wonder you are so bitter.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:


What is any of this to you? You aren't a radio amateur. You aren't a
member of the ARRL. That hasn't stopped you from huffing and puffing.


I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

Why? Can't or to lazy to learn the code? Is that the only way you will
ever be able to get a ham license? I guess if they remove the code
requirement you will campaign to get the written eleminated also so you
won't have to do anything for a license. I haven't belonged to the ARRL
in many years, but you have convinced me I need to join, thanks to you
the ARRL will get a new member.

In article , JJ
writes:

I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

Why? Can't or to lazy to learn the code?

I can, I did learn morse. I don't see the need of it after being in
radio communications for 50 1/2 years.

Is that the only way you will
ever be able to get a ham license?

An AMATEUR license is not one of my life priorities. I've had a
COMMERCIAL license for 47 1/2 years.

I guess if they remove the code
requirement you will campaign to get the written eleminated also so you
won't have to do anything for a license.

No. You are starting to show evidence of high irritation, anonymous
one.

Why is it imperative to have a license, especially an AMATEUR
license? I took my FCC office test way back in March, 1956. I'd
already been communicating in the HF Big Leagues for three years.
Later on, I've communicated on LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, and
microwaves without needing any amateur radio certificate. Never
ever needed to use or understand morse code for any of that.
Nobody involved in all that communicating complained about
lack of morsemanship.

I haven't belonged to the ARRL
in many years, but you have convinced me I need to join, thanks to you
the ARRL will get a new member.

Go for it. They need warm bodies rather desperately. The League
has yet to get membership from a majority of licensed U.S. radio
amateurs.

Hurry on getting your membership...wonder upon wonders, they are
defraying shipping charges on items puchased from Newington right
now! [of course, you pay the same price in a ham store for ARRL
merchandise and there's no shipping charges to pay...]

LHA
Leonard H. Anderson

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , JJ
writes:


I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

Why? Can't or to lazy to learn the code?


I can, I did learn morse. I don't see the need of it after being in
radio communications for 50 1/2 years.


Is that the only way you will
ever be able to get a ham license?


An AMATEUR license is not one of my life priorities. I've had a
COMMERCIAL license for 47 1/2 years.

Then what's you problem? If you have no interest in an amateur license
then why spout off hear? Go somewhere where someone cares.

I guess if they remove the code
requirement you will campaign to get the written eleminated also so you
won't have to do anything for a license.


No. You are starting to show evidence of high irritation, anonymous
one.

Doesn't irratate me, I have my license, code test and all.

Why is it imperative to have a license, especially an AMATEUR
license?

If one wishes to operate on the amateur bands one needs an amateur
license - DUH!

I took my FCC office test way back in March, 1956. I'd
already been communicating in the HF Big Leagues for three years.
Later on, I've communicated on LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, and
microwaves without needing any amateur radio certificate. Never
ever needed to use or understand morse code for any of that.
Nobody involved in all that communicating complained about
lack of morsemanship.

Great, then go back to your LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF and microwaves with
your commercial license. You obviously have no interest in amateur radio
so it is obvious to the most casual of observers that your only reason
to be hear is to see how big a jackass you can make of yourself.
And you're doing a bang-up job of it.


I haven't belonged to the ARRL
in many years, but you have convinced me I need to join, thanks to you
the ARRL will get a new member.


Go for it. They need warm bodies rather desperately. The League
has yet to get membership from a majority of licensed U.S. radio
amateurs.

Hurry on getting your membership...wonder upon wonders, they are
defraying shipping charges on items puchased from Newington right
now! [of course, you pay the same price in a ham store for ARRL
merchandise and there's no shipping charges to pay...]

It will give me a say in campainging to keep the code test, looks like
that is what keeps you out of ham radio and that's a good thing for ham
radio.

In article , JJ
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , JJ

writes:

I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

Why? Can't or to lazy to learn the code?

I can, I did learn morse. I don't see the need of it after being in
radio communications for 50 1/2 years.

Is that the only way you will
ever be able to get a ham license?

An AMATEUR license is not one of my life priorities. I've had a
COMMERCIAL license for 47 1/2 years.

Then what's you problem? If you have no interest in an amateur license
then why spout off hear? Go somewhere where someone cares.

[in cyberspace you cannot be "hear"...] :-)

Gosh, for an anonymous person you are very touchy. Did you hurt
yourself with the dagger under your cloak?

I guess if they remove the code
requirement you will campaign to get the written eleminated also so you
won't have to do anything for a license.

No. You are starting to show evidence of high irritation, anonymous
one.

Doesn't irratate me, I have my license, code test and all.

Of COURSE you do, anonymous one.

How could anyone possibly doubt such a thing?

Why is it imperative to have a license, especially an AMATEUR
license?

If one wishes to operate on the amateur bands one needs an amateur
license - DUH!

Is "DUH" your real name's initials?

You had best check on which amateur bands are EXCLUSIVELY
allocated only to amateur radio.

Any other radio service allocated as primary or co-resident on ham
bands doesn't need any amateur license to operate there.

Worse yet, the government (including military) can and sometimes
does operate on bands which many amateurs think are exclusively
"theirs." No amateur license required by government/military operators
to operate there.

I took my FCC office test way back in March, 1956. I'd
already been communicating in the HF Big Leagues for three years.
Later on, I've communicated on LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, and
microwaves without needing any amateur radio certificate. Never
ever needed to use or understand morse code for any of that.
Nobody involved in all that communicating complained about
lack of morsemanship.

Great, then go back to your LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF and microwaves with
your commercial license. You obviously have no interest in amateur radio
so it is obvious to the most casual of observers that your only reason
to be hear is to see how big a jackass you can make of yourself.
And you're doing a bang-up job of it.

How come for why you say "I have no interest in amateur radio?"

Is everyone within your touch required to profess love, honor, and
obeyance to the amateur lifestyle in order for you to be civil to
them?

I haven't belonged to the ARRL
in many years, but you have convinced me I need to join, thanks to you
the ARRL will get a new member.

Go for it. They need warm bodies rather desperately. The League
has yet to get membership from a majority of licensed U.S. radio
amateurs.

Hurry on getting your membership...wonder upon wonders, they are
defraying shipping charges on items puchased from Newington right
now! [of course, you pay the same price in a ham store for ARRL
merchandise and there's no shipping charges to pay...]

It will give me a say in campainging to keep the code test, looks like
that is what keeps you out of ham radio and that's a good thing for ham
radio.

You can have your "say" DIRECTLY to the FCC. Of course, on the
14 petitions the official comment period is over but you are still
allowed to late-file.

The only problem with comments to the FCC is that they expect all
commenters to give their real name, address, etc., in order to be on
the public record.

That makes everyone commenting vulnerable, doesn't it? By using
ARRL as a middleman, you can keep your anonymity and arrogance
and alleged superiority, spouting off from time to time. No problem.

If that is the sort of attitude of modern U.S. amateur radio, then it is
no wonder that folks aren't rushing in to get acquainted with it or
don't admire all the "expertise" of such amateur radio gurus.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

What is any of this to you? You aren't a radio amateur. You aren't a
member of the ARRL. That hasn't stopped you from huffing and puffing.

I'm just campaigning for the elimination of morse code testing.

What is that to you?

It effects me because I am an active radio amateur. You, on the other
hand, are in no way involved.

You've already passed morse code tests.

Yes, I have. That is of no concern to you.

You are the ultimate amateur.

Thanks for the accolades, Len but I'm just one U.S. radio amateur among
hundreds of thousands.

You might have been a professional once, but you could not even
get a job with an amateur organization.

Yes, I was a professional in radio for quite a number of years. I don't
use that as a pulpit from which to lecture radio amateurs. You do and
you aren't even involved.

If you've been paying attention, I was offered a job with the ARRL. I
turned it down. Are you playing loose with facts again?

No wonder you are so bitter.

I think you must have me mixed up with you. I'm a radio amateur. You
are a bystander.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

If you've been paying attention, I was offered a job with the ARRL. I
turned it down. Are you playing loose with facts again?

What "facts" Ripley? You made a CLAIM. An UNSUPPORTED
CLAIM.

Get someone to vouch for your "job interview," someone in the
League who was there at the time.

I'll be generous and accept State Department notification (if on
official letterhead stationery). :-)

Or, knowing State, on their official stationary...

No wonder you are so bitter.

I think you must have me mixed up with you. I'm a radio amateur. You
are a bystander.

Nope. I've been IN RADIO longer than you have, done more in radio
and electronics than you have. I'm a PROFESSIONAL.

Been a professional in radio longer than you have, too. :-)

Now, did you have some comment on morse code test retention and
"how that so terribly affects your ability to perform as an amateur?"

I'm sure that anyone daring to express the thought that the morse test
should be eliminated gives you the terrible shivers as an amateur.

We can't have Kolonel Klunk getting emotionally upset, can we?

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

If you've been paying attention, I was offered a job with the ARRL. I
turned it down. Are you playing loose with facts again?

What "facts" Ripley? You made a CLAIM. An UNSUPPORTED
CLAIM.

Get someone to vouch for your "job interview," someone in the
League who was there at the time.

Do your own leg work, Windy. If it bothers you, why not contact Dave
Sumner and confirm it with him. The year was 1975.

I'll be generous and accept State Department notification (if on
official letterhead stationery). :-)

Or, knowing State, on their official stationary...

Remember the N2EY profile of your likely actions? I think it is about
time we dust it off.

No wonder you are so bitter.

I think you must have me mixed up with you. I'm a radio amateur. You
are a bystander.

Nope. I've been IN RADIO longer than you have, done more in radio
and electronics than you have. I'm a PROFESSIONAL.

Then you are simply in the wrong newsgroup. This one has to do with
amateur radio, Windy. Statistics will even things out in the long run.

Been a professional in radio longer than you have, too. :-)

Now, did you have some comment on morse code test retention and
"how that so terribly affects your ability to perform as an amateur?"

I'm sure that anyone daring to express the thought that the morse test
should be eliminated gives you the terrible shivers as an amateur.

We can't have Kolonel Klunk getting emotionally upset, can we?

Look, Foggy--Any change in amateur regulations or in the licensing of
radio amateurs effects me directly because I am a user of those segments
of the radio spectrum designated for use by radio amateurs. Those
changes would have no impact on someone who is not a licensed
amateur--someone like you.

Dave K8MN

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

What "facts" Ripley? You made a CLAIM. An UNSUPPORTED
CLAIM.

Like your CLAIM to obtain an "Extra Lite out of the box"...?!?!

Like your CLAIM about aeronautical qualifications...?!?!?

Like your...oh, forget it...I could go on and on like this all
day...

No wonder you are so bitter.

I think you must have me mixed up with you. I'm a radio amateur. You
are a bystander.

Nope.

Yep. You are NOT a licensed Radio Amateur. This is a fact.

I've been IN RADIO longer than you have, done more in radio
and electronics than you have. I'm a PROFESSIONAL.

No, you are not.

"Professionals" do not conduct themselves the way you do. You
are a documented pathological liar and antagonist. You are not a
trustworthy person.

Now, did you have some comment on morse code test retention and
"how that so terribly affects your ability to perform as an amateur?"

Do YOU have a comment on how Morse Code testing (or lack of)
affects YOUR ability to perform as an amateur, Lennie?

Ooops...forgot...You are not a licensed Amateur...Just a
bystander. A boistrous bystander at that.

I'm sure that anyone daring to express the thought that the morse test
should be eliminated gives you the terrible shivers as an amateur.

We can't have Kolonel Klunk getting emotionally upset, can we?

More of your "I'm only here to civilly debate the Morse Code
test" technique, Lennie...?!?!

Or yet another example of what a lying sack of excrement you are?

(That was a rhetorical question, Lennie...Don't sweat coming up
with an answer...You can't.)

Steve, K4YZ