"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous...

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !

being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.

"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous...

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ?

It is a service because that is how it is defined and
authorized under FCC rules Part 97.

All hams dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit. Let Them choose!

There is nothing to choose. It is a service.
In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that
ham radio is a service still allows individuals
to be hams on nothing more than a personal
hobby basis.

Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?

The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio
because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned
resource. Under US law and under the laws of
most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA)
gets to specify the rules for amateur radio.

No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !

Sorry, there is NO opportunity for
you or anyone else to vote as you wish.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous...

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ?

It is a service because that is how it is defined and
authorized under FCC rules Part 97.

All throughout Title 47 C.F.R. the word "service" is a regulatory term
denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated.

All hams dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit. Let Them choose!

There is nothing to choose. It is a service.
In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that
ham radio is a service still allows individuals
to be hams on nothing more than a personal
hobby basis.

Citizens Band Radio SERVICE.

Remote Control Radio SERVICE.

Private Land Mobile Radio SERVICE.

Broadcasting SERVICE.

Aeronautical Mobile SERVICE.

Just five examples of types and kinds of radio activity in Title 47
C.F.R., all using the word "service." All those "services" are
for civil (non-government) radio. No military or government-like
services are meant nor intended. Just a regulatory term.

The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio
because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned
resource. Under US law and under the laws of
most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA)
gets to specify the rules for amateur radio.

All throughout Title 47 C.F.R., the word "service" is a regulatory
term used to denote a type or kind of radio activity being
regulated for U.S. non-government radio.

Of the five examples given, only broadcasting is required to perform
specified services of a specified percentage of transmission time to
program content and material to the general community within its
service area.

Note that "service area" is a term phrase to denote the geographic
coverage of broadcast signals above a specified certain field
strength. The specific word "service" in that phrase does not refer
to a "community service" nor "military service" nor "service to the
country" nor even "service for eight" as in dinnerware.

Those trying to imply that the word "service" in Amateur Radio
Service is some sort of "service to the community" is merely self-
enoblement by radio amateurs which has no relevance to reality.
Amateur radio as practiced. Amateur radio - as practiced - is
almost entirely a personal recreational activity involving radio, done
without pecuniary interest. A hobby. Anything more than that is
a fantasy existing within radio amateur's imagination...and in the
self-serving propaganda of the ARRL to reinforce such imaginary
thoughts in order to convince radio amateurs of belonging to the
League.

If anything the Amateur Radio Service is closer to "service for one"
as in dinnerware.

An amateur radio licensee cannot transfer that license. It belongs
only to the stated licensee. The license does not state, convey,
or imply that the licensee must perform any community service to
anyone other than emergency communications under certain
conditions stated in Parts 2 and 97 of Title 47 C.F.R.

No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !

Sorry, there is NO opportunity for
you or anyone else to vote as you wish.

Actually, there IS such an opportunity and it is built into the
Constitution of the United States and some Amendments. For
a large change try Articles V and VII plus Amendment IX. :-)

Otherwise - except in this little zoo called a newsgroup - we can
all "vote" as we wish just like a bunch of amateurs are "serving"
the nation through their "service" of being in a hobby.

LHA / WMD

Anonymous wrote:
Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.

No you can't. There are rules on the golf coures you must follow or you
will not be allowed to play. You can't play golf on the Whitehous lawn,
in the middle of the street, on someone elses' private property, in a
public park, or any number of other places. Almost everything you do has
rules attatched.

So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !

I guess you are one of the idiots who advocate that the the government
should not have any say in how the airwaves can be used. That the
airwaves should be free for anyone to use anyway they please at anytime.
If that were so, I wonder how you would feel if your family was killed
in a plane crash because the pilot could not communicate with air
traffic control because some freedom loving moron such as yourself was
transmitting on the ATC frequencies.

The FCC defines Amateur Radio as a service, and the hams like it that
way, now go spout you drivle somewhere else.

In article J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous, Anonymous
writes:

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


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Anonymous wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous...

Remainder of another LennieRant under an anonymous "signature" snipped.

Nothing new. Same rhetoric.

Steve, K4YZ

Dave,

I *like* your idea. Makes more sense than code vs no-code arguements. Do
so many hours per year or you loose the ticket. After so many years of
having the ticket, you get a free pass once you are 65 years of age

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Dave" wrote in message
...

being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to
at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the
air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do
so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the
paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.




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Len Over 21 wrote:


Let's journey back in time to 17 January 1994 and the Northridge
Earthquake. ALL the primary electrical power to about 10 million
was shut off by a single falling MHV tower at a little after 0430..

Rest of lenny's senile drivel deleted:

So based on this one incident you declare that hams have no use in
emergency communications. Lenny, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Journey back to the quake of 1985, when there was no, none, nada, phone
service into or out of SF for a period of time, and only sparodic
service locally and see what service the hams were providing not only
for local emergency agencies but also handling traffic into and out of
the area via HF.

Now go take your meds and and hassle the little old ladies in your rest
home.

In article , JJ
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Let's journey back in time to 17 January 1994 and the Northridge
Earthquake. ALL the primary electrical power to about 10 million
was shut off by a single falling MHV tower at a little after 0430..

Rest of lenny's senile drivel deleted:

Poor baby...don't like actual facts, ey? :-)

So based on this one incident you declare that hams have no use in
emergency communications.

No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.

The Northridge Earthquake was a mere 10 years and 2 months ago.
It affected about 10 million people from the TOTAL absence of
primary electrical power.

Lenny, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Poor baby, using a mixed alliteration. That would prove you are
an illiterate alliterator. :-)

Journey back to the quake of 1985, when there was no, none, nada, phone
service into or out of SF for a period of time, and only sparodic
service locally and see what service the hams were providing not only
for local emergency agencies but also handling traffic into and out of
the area via HF.

Of course they were...in your mind.

The Loma Prieta quake was 19 years ago. More severe in Richter
Scale numbers than Northridge, like the Northridge quake it affected
only certain portions of the Bay Area. It was NOT a total collapse
of the infrastructure by any means. While parts of the Bay Area were
without electrical power, the Area was still connected to the Pacific
Intertie.

Unlike Loma Prieta, the entire Los Angeles area was cut off from the
Intertie at a bit past 0430 hours. The Greater Los Angeles area
went BLACK. No lights, nothing, nada, nyet, nicht except were the
emergency generators could supply local lighting. The Loma Prieta
quake started during daylight.

If the infrastructure was so "immobilized" by Loma Prieta, then
explain all the television coverage from the ground as well as the air.
Saw quite a bit of damage in rather widely-scattered areas down
here. Not only that, I called to the area using POTS and got through
normally a few hours after it started.

While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."

During the Northridge quake, I got a call from a relative in Florida
during the afternoon, once again proving one can call in from the
outside even if the switching centers are swamped to calls WITHIN
an affected area.

Throughout both earthquakes the public safety and utility and
construction-wrecking companies were in constant communications
with each other and the various local governments. Their only
overload was dealing with the WORK of rescue and clean-up. They
had no real problem of communications.

Now go take your meds and and hassle the little old ladies in your rest
home.

I take my 0.5% Timulol Maleate regularly in the morning and after
supper. As prescribed.

I don't live in "the med" nor in any "rest home."

You dwell in anonymity, without the courage to identify yourself.

Are you hiding that alleged callsign because you have NO
amateur radio license? Certainly appears that way to everyone.

You are an UNKNOWN as well as cowardly troll, too ignorant of the
world and fearful of that world finding out your true incompetence.
But, your imagination must think you are a Great Hero, a Noble
Communicator Serving Your Nation for having a radio hobby. :-)

Now, go back to dreaming of your glory of selfless dedication to
your community. You don't have it but you can't admit it...

LHA / WMD