On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil ,
AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves,
wrote in t:

snip
Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be
denigrated.

Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be
proud of?


Like Billy Mitchell?

No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland.


Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about
anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in
my loss of rank. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly
that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's
something I am most definitely proud to admit.

Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly
when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your
butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed
as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave?







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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil ,
AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves,
wrote in t:

I think the "tag line editorial" leaves us with a pretty good idea
of "Frank's" real identity...Sure LOOKS familiar!

No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland.


Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about
anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in
my loss of rank.

"...not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank..."

Whelp...that pretty well answers most of why Frank of Silliland has
taken this opportunity to "diss" a SNCO Marine.

But there's one big difference between me and Dudly
that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's
something I am most definitely proud to admit.

Frank, if that IS your name...

You're a loser AND a liar...

Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly
when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your
butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed
as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave?

Of what business do YOU have, Frank of Silliland? Dave's got a
lot more in common with me than you do.

You obviously have no AMATEUR RADIO issues to discuss.

You came in "guns-a-blazin" over "military" credentials, only for
it to be found out you're a disgraced non-rated enlisted yourself.

Some "resource" YOU turned out to be!

Frank Gilliland is a disgraced liar.

Period.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

Of what business do YOU have, Frank of Silliland? Dave's got a
lot more in common with me than you do.

Ahem, you might want to check with Dave before making such sweeping
statements. Hi!

From: "K4YZ" on Sat 27 Aug 2005 02:15


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:23:09 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in
:

Whether or not you approve of Veterans such as W4NTI or K4YZ, the fact
remains that they SERVED!

No, that's not a fact. K4YZ has, through his own words, proved beyond
any reasonable doubt that he did -NOT- serve, at least not in the
capacity he claims.

Yes, I did serve, and you're a disgraced liar, Frankie.

No, Dudly, you have NOT produced ANY proof of having served in the
USMC.

And that WAS through your own words!

You claim that MY "words" prove I didn't serve.

So far, with NO PROOF presented, YOUR words are vague generalities
without specifics. You've claimed being "in seven hostile actions"
but have never said WHERE or WHEN you were actually IN those.

You're a liar. Period.

No period, Dudly. Lots of us readers have come to the conclusion
that you are simply running a con job, a snow job, and cannot
come up with enough details or familiarity to establish that you
actually did all those vague/general things you've described.

It's probably part-and-parcel why you left the Marines as a PFC
instead of as an NCO or SNCO, and is also no doubt as to why you
entered this flame fest to start one of your own.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Personal insults do not YOUR bona fides make,
Dudly.

The personal-insult-reply is something you use constantly when
challenged to produce ANY proof of what you've said. It is
NOT AN ANSWER. It is just misdirection to avoid YOUR answer.

I've run into many of these impersonators over the
years...(SNIP)

YOU'RE the "impersonator", "Frankie"...

"Impersonating" someone who served Honorably...

We readers have NO PROOF that YOU "served honorably." By your
own words you exited the USMC through a MEDICAL DISCHARGE.
Then you changed that to an "honorable discharge." Inconsistent.

most of whom claim to be Viet-Nam vets that did "secret ops" or
worked independently "behind enemy lines", and often quoting lines
from the movies "Apocolypse, Now", "Platoon" and "Full Metal Jacket"
(and even that early Jack Webb movie). But ask them for proof and they
clam up and get all defensive, just like K4YZ, and now K8MN.

No "defensive"...No "secretive".

NO PROOF from you, Dudly.

While you Chairborne Hams were nit-picking over license qualifications these
two guys were serving their, and YOUR, country.
I defer to K8MN. He is correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of
you do the same.

Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are
subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did-
serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and
will die in the future.

Words spoken by a non-hacking, busted-to-non-rate loser.

I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unimpressed!

Tsk, tsk, tsk. More misdirection by personal insults to a
challenger.
NO PROOF from you, Dudly.

If you want to do the right thing then don't
let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no
problem with showing proof of service when asked.

I have "proof of service", Frankie, and offered more than enough
non-Privacy Act protected sources for any marginally interested person
to find the results themselves...Even specific dates of promotion
boards...

PRODUCE THEM, Dudly. Give us real links if you have them. Give
us scanned documents in e-mail if you have no links. Give us
some personal references that we can contact, those who you
claim have "served with you." So far you've provided NONE.

You're a liar and a loser, Gilliland. and now YOU have been
exposed.

Tsk, more personal insults from Dudly masquerading as a "reply."

Dudly has NO PROOF of his.

Go ahead...let's see what excuse or rationalization you spin up
for this...

Frank has presented some links for his proof. Frank's words ring
true. YOURS are just vague generalities, no specifics, sound
like they've been cribbed from books, movies, and TV shows.

Quit trying to point fingers at others, Dudly. Remember that every
time you point a finger at someone there are four other fingers of
yours pointing right back at YOU.

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sat 27 Aug 2005 02:15

Go ahead...let's see what excuse or rationalization you spin up
for this...

Frank has presented some links for his proof. Frank's words ring
true. YOURS are just vague generalities, no specifics, sound
like they've been cribbed from books, movies, and TV shows.

Quit trying to point fingers at others, Dudly. Remember that every
time you point a finger at someone there are four other fingers of
yours pointing right back at YOU.



As noted on numerous occassions, Steve is long on demands, but very,
very short on answers. When a question comes his way, he turns it into
an attack, usually a personal attack. Then he wonders why everyone
thinks he's nuts.

HHAE:

There you have it. One of the simplest, most ridiculous things I have
ever seen, if you don't like the message--attack the messenger...

.... and he never seems to tire of the same simple game!

John

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:28:59 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:


wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sat 27 Aug 2005 02:15

Go ahead...let's see what excuse or rationalization you spin up
for this...

Frank has presented some links for his proof. Frank's words ring
true. YOURS are just vague generalities, no specifics, sound
like they've been cribbed from books, movies, and TV shows.

Quit trying to point fingers at others, Dudly. Remember that every
time you point a finger at someone there are four other fingers of
yours pointing right back at YOU.



As noted on numerous occassions, Steve is long on demands, but very,
very short on answers. When a question comes his way, he turns it into
an attack, usually a personal attack. Then he wonders why everyone
thinks he's nuts.

John Smith wrote:
HHAE:

There you have it. One of the simplest, most ridiculous things I have
ever seen, if you don't like the message--attack the messenger...

... and he never seems to tire of the same simple game!

John

I'm suprised that he isn't employed in a box-folding factory.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil ,
AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves,
wrote in t:

snip

Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be
denigrated.

Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be
proud of?


Like Billy Mitchell?

No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland.



Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about
anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in
my loss of rank.

Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of
remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine.

But there's one big difference between me and Dudly
that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's
something I am most definitely proud to admit.

So, the truth is, according to you, that Steve isn't a Marine or that
he's lying. That's an assumption made by you and you've offered no
proof, just accusations.

Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly
when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your
butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed
as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave?

I challenge you to expose me as a "military imposter", Frank. Make it
your life's work. As far as your last comment: read up on how usenet
works. After all, how did Steve's business become *your business*?

Dave K8MN

Dave remarked, "You told us that you weren't a model Marine."

My son saved some "GI Joe Action Figures", while not exactly a "model
marine", you can pose them realistically and stage pseudo-military
scenarios which might be more entertaining than you find here... I'd loan
ya a couple if you get bored...

John

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:23:00 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

You told us that you weren't a model Marine.

Dave Heil wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil ,
AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves,
wrote in t:

snip

Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be
denigrated.

Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be
proud of?


Like Billy Mitchell?

No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland.

Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about
anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in
my loss of rank.

Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of
remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine.

By a far stretch.

He was in an expensive technical MOS (Ground Radar Repair).
You've got to go out of your way to get the USMC to send you home as a
PFC with 3 1/2 years of service..."####bird" was an understatement on
Frankie's part.

The rank of PFC and the less-than-four year tour lends one to
believe that the reason he didn't publish the other 3/4ths of his -214
was that somewhere on that form it said "LESS THAN HONORABLE", or one
of those categories of discharge.

But there's one big difference between me and Dudly
that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's
something I am most definitely proud to admit.

So, the truth is, according to you, that Steve isn't a Marine or that
he's lying. That's an assumption made by you and you've offered no
proof, just accusations.

And O N L Y accusations, Dave.

They claim I am "hiding behind the Privacy Act", but I have
offered them more than adequate PUBLIC resources to validate my
service.

This ludicrous spin about how I am one Steven Robeson claiming the
service of another is assinine.

Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly
when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your
butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed
as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave?

I challenge you to expose me as a "military imposter", Frank. Make it
your life's work. As far as your last comment: read up on how usenet
works. After all, how did Steve's business become *your business*?

Frankie will do nothing of the kind, Dave.

He was given adequate resources to validate my service...MORE than
adequate if we were to take his not-so-subtle suggestions of having
resources that "you don't even know about" at his disposal. Yet he
claims that he's "most definitely proud to admit" how truthful he is.

He's all three of the "oser's" Hoser Poser Loser

Frankie's done himslef in, Dave, just like Lennie, Markie, Toiddie
and Brain have done in turn...

The Feeble Five.

73

Steve, K4YZ