On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:23:09 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in
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May I be so bold as to have the audacity to agree with K8MN? While my
comments may not rest well with some of you "chairborne" commandos, it is
cheap and tawdry to call into question or submit falsehoods about the
service of Veterans.


It's even worse to impersonate a vet. Wouldn't you agree?


Whether or not you approve of Veterans such as W4NTI or K4YZ, the fact
remains that they SERVED!


No, that's not a fact. K4YZ has, through his own words, proved beyond
any reasonable doubt that he did -NOT- serve, at least not in the
capacity he claims. I've run into many of these impersonators over the
years, most of whom claim to be Viet-Nam vets that did "secret ops" or
worked independently "behind enemy lines", and often quoting lines
from the movies "Apocolypse, Now", "Platoon" and "Full Metal Jacket"
(and even that early Jack Webb movie). But ask them for proof and they
clam up and get all defensive, just like K4YZ, and now K8MN.


While you Chairborne Hams were nit-picking over license qualifications these
two guys were serving their, and YOUR, country.
I defer to K8MN. He is correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of
you do the same.


Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are
subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did-
serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and
will die in the future. If you want to do the right thing then don't
let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no
problem with showing proof of service when asked.







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correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of
you do the same.


Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are
subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did-
serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and
will die in the future. If you want to do the right thing then don't
let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no
problem with showing proof of service when asked.

///////////////

And just where you step in is indeed a question. You, as easily as the
others, can be just as much a "fake".
I don't know you, so for all I know you are a Troll. I know Dan, W4NTI, and
I know of his service.
Dan has earned, in your childish words, his "honor". So also have several
other Veterans who comment in this or other groups.
I, unlike you, don't question the service of fellow Veterans. I accept them
as they are.
It has been, and will continue to be my practice to give a hand salute to
all Vets.

Now, about jumping a T-10 chute...ever been there?

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:20:29 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in
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correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of
you do the same.


Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are
subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did-
serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and
will die in the future. If you want to do the right thing then don't
let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no
problem with showing proof of service when asked.

///////////////

And just where you step in is indeed a question. You, as easily as the
others, can be just as much a "fake".


Fair enough. Here, for your viewing pleasure, is a scan of part of my
DD-214 (with DOB blocked out). It's in high resolution so you can
analyze it should you think it's a forgery:

http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/dd214ex.jpg

Here's my bluenose card:

http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/bluenose.jpg

And just to see how well it would scan, here's something I picked up
in Haifa. Know what it is? The name of the file is a clue:

http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tt.jpg

Any more doubts? Need more proof?


I don't know you, so for all I know you are a Troll. I know Dan, W4NTI, and
I know of his service.
Dan has earned, in your childish words, his "honor". So also have several
other Veterans who comment in this or other groups.


Where, in any of my posts, did I refer to W4NTI? I didn't. The issue
is Dudly, not anyone else. So why drag yet another person into the
fray?


I, unlike you, don't question the service of fellow Veterans. I accept them
as they are.


Sorry, but after all the fake vets I've met over the years I'm not so
easily fooled. Nor do I conclude that something is true just because
someone says so.


It has been, and will continue to be my practice to give a hand salute to
all Vets.

Now, about jumping a T-10 chute...ever been there?


How about a name?







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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:20:29 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in

I don't know you, so for all I know you are a Troll. I know Dan, W4NTI, and
I know of his service.
Dan has earned, in your childish words, his "honor". So also have several
other Veterans who comment in this or other groups.

Where, in any of my posts, did I refer to W4NTI? I didn't. The issue
is Dudly, not anyone else. So why drag yet another person into the
fray?

Sorry, Frankie...the issue now is YOU...

By YOUR own words, you're a disgraced, busted-to-nonrate ex-Marine
who obviously has a serious chip on his shoulder...Not "left behind"
due to over-billeting of MOS's or other personnel issues beyond your
control, but through some act of negligence or misconduct.

You were in an MOS that the Marine Corps spent a lot of money in
order to get you there, yet they deemed you UNFIT to leave the Corps
after less than 4 years as anything but a Private First Class.

A loser.

Ironically you refered to yourself as a "####bird PFC"...

Unfortuantely I knew more than my fair share of "####birds", but
most of them at least managed to get their tours done HONORABLY and get
out the door as Corporals or even Sergeants after a 4 year tour.

At least on the six occassions I got to stand in front of a Marine
officer in regards to my rank, it was prefaced with the words "To All
Who Shall See These, Greetings..."

Guess Frankie of Silliland wasn't listening when the repeated the
words about "Special Trust and Confidence"...Because that's exactly
what being a Marine is all about.

And Frankie couldn't hack it...

Loser.

Steve, K4YZ

On 27 Aug 2005 03:22:05 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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At least on the six occassions I got to stand in front of a Marine
officer in regards to my rank, it was prefaced with the words "To All
Who Shall See These, Greetings..."


Your communication deficit is acting up again, Dudly; If you are
referring to form DD-216MC, it begins with, "To all who shall see
these presents, greeting:"

Just for kicks I googled your misquotation; very interesting.....


Guess Frankie of Silliland wasn't listening when the repeated the
words about "Special Trust and Confidence"...Because that's exactly
what being a Marine is all about.

And Frankie couldn't hack it...


Just like everything else you know about the Marine Corps, you
couldn't even get a promotion certificate right..... and you claim to
have six of them? I don't think so, Dudly.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:23:09 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in
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Whether or not you approve of Veterans such as W4NTI or K4YZ, the fact
remains that they SERVED!


No, that's not a fact. K4YZ has, through his own words, proved beyond
any reasonable doubt that he did -NOT- serve, at least not in the
capacity he claims.

Yes, I did serve, and you're a disgraced liar, Frankie.

And that WAS through your own words!

You claim that MY "words" prove I didn't serve.

You're a liar. Period.

It's probably part-and-parcel why you left the Marines as a PFC
instead of as an NCO or SNCO, and is also no doubt as to why you
entered this flame fest to start one of your own.

I've run into many of these impersonators over the
years...(SNIP)

YOU'RE the "impersonator", "Frankie"...

"Impersonating" someone who served Honorably...

most of whom claim to be Viet-Nam vets that did "secret ops" or
worked independently "behind enemy lines", and often quoting lines
from the movies "Apocolypse, Now", "Platoon" and "Full Metal Jacket"
(and even that early Jack Webb movie). But ask them for proof and they
clam up and get all defensive, just like K4YZ, and now K8MN.

No "defensive"...No "secretive".

While you Chairborne Hams were nit-picking over license qualifications these
two guys were serving their, and YOUR, country.
I defer to K8MN. He is correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of
you do the same.

Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are
subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did-
serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and
will die in the future.

Words spoken by a non-hacking, busted-to-non-rate loser.

I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unimpressed!

If you want to do the right thing then don't
let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no
problem with showing proof of service when asked.

I have "proof of service", Frankie, and offered more than enough
non-Privacy Act protected sources for any marginally interested person
to find the results themselves...Even specific dates of promotion
boards...

You're a liar and a loser, Gilliland. and now YOU have been
exposed.

Go ahead...let's see what excuse or rationalization you spin up
for this...

Steve, K4YZ