an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:

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which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.


One I don't take your orders

You don't? Did you think I gave you an order a short time ago when you
provided Google links here, which you erroneously claimed were my flirts
in a personals newsgroup with a bisexual, married stripper?


you ordered nagged and harrased me till I did it and found what I see
as your flirting etc as well more of gay bashing in yet other groups
but never found what you claimed I would find

You never found anything about me flirting and you never found any "gay
bashing" either. I'm sure you could find my opposition to gay marriage.
I'm sure that you know that I find homosexuality to be forbidden by my
religion and that I can't find the words to adequately express my
disgust. I'm sure that you didn't find the material I suggested that
you seek because you are incapable of using Google's search engine.

How about if I order, nag and harass you until you look up "Roger
Wiseman", "AB8MQ" and "KC8JBO"?

Two Noone knows nothing, even you must know something god help Ican't
say what it might be, but I am certain you know something

Who's noone?


noone at all

Darkness at noone.

cut




You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


You know this How?

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief
Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.


still don't see any proof you know this alleged fact

If it worries you, call 'em and ask: (304) 845-5511 gets you the city
building.


no Thanks do your own staking

You wanted proof. I provide a way for you to obtain it. That you
choose not to do so isn't my concern. As to "staking", that's exactly
what I did before responding to this post--I had a steak.


We don't bother with the uses of lang?


knwo neither of you does

And a happy "knwo" to you too. I know of no one who uses the term "lang".


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.


Not at all just one you don't like

What?


again check you english data bank

My English data bank can't make heads nor tails of a response in
gibberish which doesn't track with the flow of conversation.

My comment: "The only folks who know for sure are those who worked me on
6m....and me"

Your response: "Not at all just one you don't like"

It appears that you believe that the only people who know for sure about
my 6m operations from overseas are just ones I don't like. That doesn't
make any sense at all.

and with You I doubt even the other hams kew what they were dealing
with (or realy cared either)

We must be on another topic with which you have no familiarity. If I
was the only 6m op from a rare African DX spot and the band opened, the
ops on the other end of a QSO knew who and what they were dealing with
and they cared very much.

no we are not

You are off on one topic while the rest of us are on another topic,
which has been the porblem most of the time with you

I made a direct response to your statement. Now you'd like me to
believe that I'm on a different topic. Again, Mark, that doesn't make
any sense.


Dave K8MN

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
In article
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:

Italy Anonymous Remailer wrote:

In article
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:



Hiding behind the curtains.


That's rich, coming from somebody who thinks they are a character from a

1950's

TV show. Or should I say hiding behind a character from a 1950's TV show?

Yes,

that's more correct.



Come see me fat boy,


Fatass, the only fat boy is you!


I sure won't hide behind the curtains like you do.


No, you'll just hide behind that front door whimpering and sniveling, like you
do when you hide behind that 1950's TV show character screen name.

And you hide behind an anonymous remailer. Come on down coward, the door
is open.

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
In article . net
Dave Heil wrote:


You know, I hadn't thought of that.


You could fill an encyclopedia with what you haven't thought of.


I meant that the Roger Wiseman who is behind these anonymous remailer posts


Yep, Roger is behind every post. Paranoid much?


is a non-entity in my life.


And yet, you are stalking him.

It would appear that the Roger-as-anonymous-poster is doing the stalking.

it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.


Neither do you. I bet he knows not to work out of banders.

He doesn't even know enough not QRM other stations on 20m. He's had a
couple of FCC warning letters and was forced to retest.

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief


It's "Police", you really shouldn't mix the booze with those prescription
painkillers you are addicted to.


Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.


Only hearsay, and we all know what a liar Dave Vile is. So anything he says is
a lie. Looks like Vile has lied and can't prove Roger had previous dealings
with the police. He speasks in generalities and can't name specifics.

You've been dealt with over your e-mailings to me and over your
newsgroup filth posts. That's one of the reasons that you can't come
out in the open and that you have to hide behind remailers and deny your
identity. You'll live in usenet infamy as a sociopath.


If it worries you, call 'em and ask: (304) 845-5511 gets you the city


They don't give out information like that to the public, Vile.

....at least you hope not.

building.


Better still, you can report Dave Vile for stalking with the
Marshall County, West Virginia Prosecutor's office:

Courthouse
Seventh St.
Moundsville, WV 26041
(304) 845-3580

Or the Marshall County West Virginia Sheriff's Office:
601 6th St.
Moundsville, WV 26041
(304)843-1500

....but you claim that you aren't Roger Wiseman. You're some anonymous
nobody in cyber space. How can someone stalk a nonexistent person? I
haven't seen Roger Wiseman since he fled a Marshall County ARES meeting
several years ago. He never returned.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:

cut


which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.


One I don't take your orders

You don't? Did you think I gave you an order a short time ago when you
provided Google links here, which you erroneously claimed were my flirts
in a personals newsgroup with a bisexual, married stripper?


you ordered nagged and harrased me till I did it and found what I see
as your flirting etc as well more of gay bashing in yet other groups
but never found what you claimed I would find

You never found anything about me flirting and you never found any "gay
bashing" either. I'm sure you could find my opposition to gay marriage.
I'm sure that you know that I find homosexuality to be forbidden by my
religion and that I can't find the words to adequately express my

and you admit here to your gay bashing by repeating it in summary form

disgust. I'm sure that you didn't find the material I suggested that
you seek because you are incapable of using Google's search engine.

no it is becuase of one of 2 thing (i can't tell which at this point)

One possiblity is that I lack enough details about your claims to have
a narrow enough search to have a chance to find it

the other is that you have been lying and it isn't there to be found


How about if I order, nag and harass you until you look up "Roger
Wiseman", "AB8MQ" and "KC8JBO"?

you can try (alas I can't stop you) but i played your game once

Two Noone knows nothing, even you must know something god help Ican't
say what it might be, but I am certain you know something

Who's noone?


noone at all

Darkness at noone.

cut




You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


You know this How?

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief
Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.


still don't see any proof you know this alleged fact

If it worries you, call 'em and ask: (304) 845-5511 gets you the city
building.


no Thanks do your own staking

You wanted proof. I provide a way for you to obtain it. That you
choose not to do so isn't my concern. As to "staking", that's exactly
what I did before responding to this post--I had a steak.

no you provided away I can help you harrass someone I don't know



We don't bother with the uses of lang?


knwo neither of you does

And a happy "knwo" to you too. I know of no one who uses the term "lang".


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.


Not at all just one you don't like

What?


again check you english data bank

My English data bank can't make heads nor tails of a response in
gibberish which doesn't track with the flow of conversation.

not my fault


My comment: "The only folks who know for sure are those who worked me on
6m....and me"

another Daveie lie what you realy said was "You just jumped to a false
conclusion. Folks here know only because I've seen fit to tell them."
[plus the other statement

Your response: "Not at all just one you don't like"

and my response is that the statement quoted again

and it is true I came to one (conclusion) that you don't like

I came to this conclusion becuase you after days of asking reused to
answer my questions, therefore as I said I would I have to accept
Brain's account of the matter

It appears that you believe that the only people who know for sure about
my 6m operations from overseas are just ones I don't like. That doesn't
make any sense at all.

then you are stupid but we knew that

and with You I doubt even the other hams kew what they were dealing
with (or realy cared either)

We must be on another topic with which you have no familiarity. If I
was the only 6m op from a rare African DX spot and the band opened, the
ops on the other end of a QSO knew who and what they were dealing with
and they cared very much.

no we are not

You are off on one topic while the rest of us are on another topic,
which has been the porblem most of the time with you

I made a direct response to your statement. Now you'd like me to
believe that I'm on a different topic. Again, Mark, that doesn't make
any sense.


Dave K8MN

an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an old friend wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:



an_old_friend wrote:

cut



which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.


One I don't take your orders

You don't? Did you think I gave you an order a short time ago when you
provided Google links here, which you erroneously claimed were my flirts
in a personals newsgroup with a bisexual, married stripper?


you ordered nagged and harrased me till I did it and found what I see
as your flirting etc as well more of gay bashing in yet other groups
but never found what you claimed I would find

You never found anything about me flirting and you never found any "gay
bashing" either. I'm sure you could find my opposition to gay marriage.
I'm sure that you know that I find homosexuality to be forbidden by my
religion and that I can't find the words to adequately express my


and you admit here to your gay bashing by repeating it in summary form

That is not gay bashing. I object to homosexuality on religious
grounds. I object to the concept of gay marriage. I find homosexual
practice to be disgusting and repugnant. No law in this country can
force me to like or accept your perverse form of sexuality but I make
no attempt to prevent it or to harm you in any way.

disgust. I'm sure that you didn't find the material I suggested that
you seek because you are incapable of using Google's search engine.


no it is becuase of one of 2 thing (i can't tell which at this point)

One possiblity is that I lack enough details about your claims to have
a narrow enough search to have a chance to find it

That was addressed by my earlier comment.

the other is that you have been lying and it isn't there to be found

We have a third possibility: that you are lying about it simply because
you feel like it.

How about if I order, nag and harass you until you look up "Roger
Wiseman", "AB8MQ" and "KC8JBO"?


you can try (alas I can't stop you) but i played your game once

Well, you claimed that the reasons you did the earlier search is because
I somehow ordered you and harassed you. Well if I can't do it now, the
chances are good that I couldn't do it earlier.


You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.


Not at all just one you don't like

What?


again check you english data bank

My English data bank can't make heads nor tails of a response in
gibberish which doesn't track with the flow of conversation.


not my fault

Ah, back to your victim status. You can't put a sentence together so
that it can be understood, but the problem isn't yours. Right.

My comment: "The only folks who know for sure are those who worked me on
6m....and me"


another Daveie lie what you realy said was "You just jumped to a false
conclusion. Folks here know only because I've seen fit to tell them."
[plus the other statement

Your response: "Not at all just one you don't like"


and my response is that the statement quoted again

and it is true I came to one (conclusion) that you don't like

I came to this conclusion becuase you after days of asking reused to
answer my questions, therefore as I said I would I have to accept
Brain's account of the matter

It is tiresome to keep explaining things to you, Mark. You have no
first hand knowledge of my 6m operation from overseas. Brian has no
first hand knowledge of my 6m operation from overseas. The
ever-anonymous Roger Wiseman has no first hand knowledge of my 6m
operation from overseas.

The o n l y people who know for sure about them are those who QSO'd
me...and me. All others have only secondhand information.

I am under no obligation to provide you answers just because you have
questions.

It appears that you believe that the only people who know for sure about
my 6m operations from overseas are just ones I don't like. That doesn't
make any sense at all.


then you are stupid but we knew that

I'm sure if you have problems making people understand you, you come to
the conclusion that everyone else is stupid.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
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You never found anything about me flirting and you never found any "gay
bashing" either. I'm sure you could find my opposition to gay marriage.
I'm sure that you know that I find homosexuality to be forbidden by my
religion and that I can't find the words to adequately express my


and you admit here to your gay bashing by repeating it in summary form

That is not gay bashing.cut

it certainly is

cut I object to homosexuality on religious grounds.cut

so what?

cut I object to the concept of gay marriage.

so what?

I find homosexual
practice to be disgusting and repugnant.

clearly gay bashing

No law in this country can
force me to like or accept your perverse form of sexuality but I make
no attempt to prevent it or to harm you in any way.

another lie

you seek and support harm the Gay and bisexaul citizins of the nations
by dening them te same legal standing for theire relationship as you
enjoy in yours

you also seek to use the fact I am Bisexual as an excuse to attack me
in forum where my sexual orientation is not relavant, this harms me and
proves you a liar


disgust. I'm sure that you didn't find the material I suggested that
you seek because you are incapable of using Google's search engine.


no it is becuase of one of 2 thing (i can't tell which at this point)

One possiblity is that I lack enough details about your claims to have
a narrow enough search to have a chance to find it

That was addressed by my earlier comment.

no it wasn't you have refused to provide enough detail to make a real
search


the other is that you have been lying and it isn't there to be found
cuting more bs

How about if I order, nag and harass you until you look up "Roger
Wiseman", "AB8MQ" and "KC8JBO"?


you can try (alas I can't stop you) but i played your game once

Well, you claimed that the reasons you did the earlier search is because
I somehow ordered you and harassed you. Well if I can't do it now, the
chances are good that I couldn't do it earlier.

faulty logic Dave


cut

My comment: "The only folks who know for sure are those who worked me on
6m....and me"


another Daveie lie what you realy said was "You just jumped to a false
conclusion. Folks here know only because I've seen fit to tell them."
[plus the other statement

Your response: "Not at all just one you don't like"


and my response is that the statement quoted again

and it is true I came to one (conclusion) that you don't like

I came to this conclusion becuase you after days of asking reused to
answer my questions, therefore as I said I would I have to accept
Brain's account of the matter

It is tiresome to keep explaining things to you, Mark. You have no
first hand knowledge of my 6m operation from overseas. Brian has no
first hand knowledge of my 6m operation from overseas. The
ever-anonymous Roger Wiseman has no first hand knowledge of my 6m
operation from overseas.

none of these folks to my knwoledge hhas any such claim

but based on your accounts we have formed opinions

cut
I am under no obligation to provide you answers just because you have
questions.

I never claimed you did but if you want me to accept your claims then
you must met my terms

Based on the info you have provide I can see no other conclusion but
that you are willing to knowingly aid and bet others in the breaking of
thier local laws

You might be able to change that opinion but you have to answer my
questions to do so

That you will not answer a few simple questions makes me believe the
answers will support my existing conclusion.

that you refuse to take such a simple to establish my trust means I
will consider taking any "challenge" of yours.
cut

Fritz Wuehler wrote:
In article . net
Dave Heil wrote:


You know? How would you know? You're just some guy hiding behind
anonymous remailers.


And you're hiding behind other things that are so obvious. Like seeing Roger
everywhere.

Sorry, that is incorrect. I don't see Roger at all. He spends a lot of
time hiding. Right now he hides behind anonymous remailers.

And posting under other names.

You spend much time trying to uncover the identities of your various
adversaries. You aren't very successful. I post under nothing but my
e-mail address. Take it to the bank.


And trying to be a moderator of a public
newsgroup.

No, I've never attempted to moderate an unmoderated newsgroup.


Is everyone targeting me?


Your backside has taken quite a number of hits, according to the Google
archives. Especially of late, when the pretend Marine is absent.

Why, not at all, Roger. One has only to look up "Roger Wiseman",
"AB8MQ" or "KC8JBO" to find someone who has taken *real* hits--and
justifiably so.

Is everyone using anonymous remailers?


If they did, would you whine more than you usually do?

If they did, you wouldn't have any idea who I am.

Does everyone monitor local repeaters


I don't hear your local repeaters. I would imagine most hams monitor their
local repeaters.


and the West Virginia Phone Net?


It sounds like your mental illness is in full swing. Now, you'll reply some
lame comment about hearing sounds, but as usual, you'll just be projecting your
own numerous shortcomings onto others.

Oh, maybe you're a different anonymous type than the one who report
hearing my signal checking into that net. *snicker*

Trying hiding behind a 4 x 4, Roger.


Why would I, since I'm not Roger, you stupid man.


Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


No, they haven't and no, I haven't. I can't speak for anybody else, though.
I'm sure you'll be able to post proof that Roger has, you wouldn't make
unsubstantiated comments, now would you?

Oh, right. I get it. Mum's the word. ;-) The comments I've made about
Roger Wiseman don't begin to do him justice.

No, not the self-proclaimned "A-1
operator" with the "strict morals."

You've made a mistake. I didn't proclaim myself an A-1 Op. It doesn't
work that way. The ARRL Web has listings by call and by name.

And since when does the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police.


Wrong. You should brush up on your English skills, former errand boy.

That's incorrect. The word Police is plural. Better luck next time.

Your freedom of speech stops where my rights begin.


Ah, there's that Nazi way we've all come to see in you, Dave Vile. Afraid the
U.S. Consitution disagrees with your narrow minded views, Vile. We don't see
you trying to contact the police at An Old Friend's or Lennie's location. Just
Roger's. More of your stalking of him, I suppose. Too bad for you nothing can
or will be done to anybody. Better save all that hot air, it's likely to be
cold in West Virginny this winter.

Neither Mark Morgan nor Len Anderson has posted any filth regarding
members of my family. Neither of them has ever sent e-mail threats to
my home. Be very, very careful, Roger.

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?


Why don't you quit lying about your so called State Department "experiences?"

What do you know of my or anyone's State Department experience?


You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas.


You bragged about talking to out of band Frenchmen.

You'd better do your Google homework. You're short on facts.
What are my 6m activities to you?


By the way, it is "a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer".


No. You flunk English grammar again, former errand boy.

Sorry. Better luck next time. That's two down and only one to go.

Makes little difference, I've never claimed to be either.


More lies. It must make a difference, as defensive as you are about the comment.

I was very clear about what I wrote. It makes little difference as I've
never claimed to be either.

One can't listen in to a public net on a clear frequency? Are you trying to

say

someone can't listen in to a net? And so you have confirmed you have crappy

on-

air audio.

By your rather convoluted logic, I mention that you lurk, but don't
check into, a Section Net and that somehow confirms something about my
transmitted audio?

Wrong, Vile. You have no idea how many people listen into a net, do you? Or is
listening to a net against Dave Vile's rules? Will those that listen to a net
without your permission have to send "I will not listen to a net" a thousand
times by morse code as punishment?

You're drifting. How does my mentioning that you lurk, but don't check
into a Section net confirm something about my transmitted audio as you
claimed?

Ta Ta, Phantom,

Dave K8MN

Nomen Nescio wrote:
In article et
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

From: Dave Heil on Fri 26 Aug 2005 05:52



wrote:


From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm


wrote:



Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

Not yours.


If you wish to discuss anal sex, find ANOTHER newsgroup for that.

You took my comment and turned it around. Then, when I respond to your
silly question, you think I'm discussing anal sex? What in the world is
the matter with you?


But, Dave Vile, you are into anal sex.....you liked talking about having Mark
Morgan kiss your ass on the WVU 50 yard line.
in . net
"Perhaps he could kiss my ass on the fifty-yard line at a WVU home football
game if he falls short."

Maybe you two fellows have something in common. You equate someone
telling you to kiss his ass with anal sex. That's very, very weird.

Dave K8MN

an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

cut



You never found anything about me flirting and you never found any "gay
bashing" either. I'm sure you could find my opposition to gay marriage.
I'm sure that you know that I find homosexuality to be forbidden by my
religion and that I can't find the words to adequately express my


and you admit here to your gay bashing by repeating it in summary form

That is not gay bashing.cut


it certainly is


cut I object to homosexuality on religious grounds.cut


so what?


cut I object to the concept of gay marriage.


so what?


I find homosexual
practice to be disgusting and repugnant.


clearly gay bashing

I'm sorry, Mark. They aren't gay bashing, no matter how much you choose
to believe that they are. I'm not going to engage you and have you play
a game of "so?" or "yes, it is" with me.

No law in this country can
force me to like or accept your perverse form of sexuality but I make
no attempt to prevent it or to harm you in any way.


another lie

That just isn't correct, Mark.

you seek and support harm the Gay and bisexaul citizins of the nations
by dening them te same legal standing for theire relationship as you
enjoy in yours

There is no recognized right of homosexuals to marry those of their own
gender. They have the equal right to marry one of the opposite gender.
You, as a bisexual, don't get to marry one of each gender. If you think
the morse code battle was a tough one, try to have an estimated 3% of
the population try to pass such laws in a country where a large majority
is dead set against it.

you also seek to use the fact I am Bisexual as an excuse to attack me
in forum where my sexual orientation is not relavant, this harms me and
proves you a liar

Mark, you have a number of issues. If you thought your bisexuality
would harm you, you surely wouldn't have posted the things you did in
other newsgroups. Right now, you're attempting to engage me in an
argument over your bisexuality. I don't accept it and don't condone it.
If you and whoever, want to engage in whatever sexual acts you engage in
and you'd like to sprinkle in a little game of pee-on-me or spank-me, in
the privacy of someone's home, then go for it. If you want to pray to
some trees and shrubs, be my guest. If you want to blame life's
problems on your dyslexia, do it. But I don't intend to accord you
victim status or call you "special". I remember too well your
description of learning morse code at 5 wpm as "torture".

disgust. I'm sure that you didn't find the material I suggested that
you seek because you are incapable of using Google's search engine.


no it is becuase of one of 2 thing (i can't tell which at this point)

One possiblity is that I lack enough details about your claims to have
a narrow enough search to have a chance to find it

That was addressed by my earlier comment.


no it wasn't you have refused to provide enough detail to make a real
search

Then so be it.


My comment: "The only folks who know for sure are those who worked me on
6m....and me"


another Daveie lie what you realy said was "You just jumped to a false
conclusion. Folks here know only because I've seen fit to tell them."
[plus the other statement


Your response: "Not at all just one you don't like"


and my response is that the statement quoted again

and it is true I came to one (conclusion) that you don't like

I came to this conclusion becuase you after days of asking reused to
answer my questions, therefore as I said I would I have to accept
Brain's account of the matter

It is tiresome to keep explaining things to you, Mark. You have no
first hand knowledge of my 6m operation from overseas. Brian has no
first hand knowledge of my 6m operation from overseas. The
ever-anonymous Roger Wiseman has no first hand knowledge of my 6m
operation from overseas.


none of these folks to my knwoledge hhas any such claim

but based on your accounts we have formed opinions

You can form opinions until you're blue in the face. You're forming
them based on second-hand and sometimes third-hand knowledge.

cut

I am under no obligation to provide you answers just because you have
questions.


I never claimed you did but if you want me to accept your claims then
you must met my terms

If you'll recall, I wasn't making the claims. Brian Burke made claims
about me. Wow, you're thick.

Based on the info you have provide I can see no other conclusion but
that you are willing to knowingly aid and bet others in the breaking of
thier local laws

Folks can get plastic surgery but it tough to fix stupidity.

You might be able to change that opinion but you have to answer my
questions to do so

That you will not answer a few simple questions makes me believe the
answers will support my existing conclusion.

that you refuse to take such a simple to establish my trust means I
will consider taking any "challenge" of yours.

Let's cut to the chase, Mark. I don't really care about answering
questions for you, what your conclusions are or whether you consider
taking the FD challenge which you've already said you wouldn't take.

__
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Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

cut

That is not gay bashing.cut
it certainly is
cut I object to homosexuality on religious grounds.cut
so what?
cut I object to the concept of gay marriage.
so what?
I find homosexual
practice to be disgusting and repugnant.


clearly gay bashing

I'm sorry, Mark. They aren't gay bashing, no matter how much you choose
to believe that they are. I'm not going to engage you and have you play
a game of "so?" or "yes, it is" with me.

certianly are gay bashing

engaging me?

It is irelavant to me what your beliefs are, so of course my repsonse
is along the lines of so what

You lack the right in this country to try and make me accept your faith
above my own


that you are too bigoted to admit and to dishonest to admit it not
withstanding

No law in this country can
force me to like or accept your perverse form of sexuality but I make
no attempt to prevent it or to harm you in any way.
another lie
That just isn't correct, Mark.

it sure is
you seek and support harm the Gay and bisexaul citizins of the nations
by dening them te same legal standing for theire relationship as you
enjoy in yours

cuting more bs in which Dave repeats his gay bashing rants

you also seek to use the fact I am Bisexual as an excuse to attack me
in forum where my sexual orientation is not relavant, this harms me and
proves you a liar

Mark, you have a number of issues. If you thought your bisexuality
would harm you, you surely wouldn't have posted the things you did in
other newsgroups.

another lie Dave you are and have been using my sexual orientation as a
excuse to attack me

Right now, you're attempting to engage me in an
argument over your bisexuality.

another lie

I am asking what my being Bisexual has to do with the ARS? you still
will not answer that


cuting more assorted bashing

disgust. I'm sure that you didn't find the material I suggested that
you seek because you are incapable of using Google's search engine.


no it is becuase of one of 2 thing (i can't tell which at this point)

One possiblity is that I lack enough details about your claims to have
a narrow enough search to have a chance to find it

That was addressed by my earlier comment.


no it wasn't you have refused to provide enough detail to make a real
search

Then so be it.

which means you lied in saying you provided it

cut
none of these folks to my knwoledge hhas any such claim

but based on your accounts we have formed opinions

You can form opinions until you're blue in the face. You're forming
them based on second-hand and sometimes third-hand knowledge.

so? I am forming them on the best info I have.

cut

I am under no obligation to provide you answers just because you have
questions.


I never claimed you did but if you want me to accept your claims then
you must met my terms

If you'll recall, I wasn't making the claims. Brian Burke made claims
about me. Wow, you're thick.

you made a number of claims

One that you did nothing wrong

Two that you do not support doing anything wrong

Three you claimed that Brain was lying

you refuse to support these claims


Based on the info you have provide I can see no other conclusion but
that you are willing to knowingly aid and bet others in the breaking of
thier local laws
cut
You might be able to change that opinion but you have to answer my
questions to do so

That you will not answer a few simple questions makes me believe the
answers will support my existing conclusion.

that you refuse to take such a simple to establish my trust means I
will consider taking any "challenge" of yours.

Let's cut to the chase, Mark. I don't really care about answering
questions for you,cut

Cut what your conclusions are cut

a clear and obvious lie.

You clearly carea great deal or else you let it go

You also clearly care a great deal what Brain Burke says about them


cutor whether you consider
taking the FD challenge which you've already said you wouldn't take.

meaning you never took your Challenge seriously in the fist place,
likely because you never intended to abide by it