There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
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There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?


OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

Ed
wb6wsn

Ed Price wrote:

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OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

Ed
wb6wsn

Ed, when he signed his contract the CC&Rs on antennas were not the issue
as has been the premise in previous posts on this topic. If a ham moves
INTO a CC&R community he has contracted to comply with the CC&Rs. [Note:
my sister lives in a CC&R community and her antenna structure provision
has the adjective 'permanent' in the statement of terms. So, a
'temporary' antenna structure is allowed!]

However, at a later time Bill develops a new interest, ham radio, and
that includes an activity that is prohibited. Does that mean that the
VEC/VE should advise potential applicants that if you live in a CC&R
community 'Forget it!!'??

As the thread was/is developing anyone who currently lives in a CC&R
community should be discouraged from becoming a ham!

Deacon Dave

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
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Ed Price wrote:

SNIPPED

OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory?
He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few
years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your
life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too
far.

Ed
wb6wsn

Ed, when he signed his contract the CC&Rs on antennas were not the issue
as has been the premise in previous posts on this topic. If a ham moves
INTO a CC&R community he has contracted to comply with the CC&Rs. [Note:
my sister lives in a CC&R community and her antenna structure provision
has the adjective 'permanent' in the statement of terms. So, a
'temporary' antenna structure is allowed!]

However, at a later time Bill develops a new interest, ham radio, and
that includes an activity that is prohibited. Does that mean that the
VEC/VE should advise potential applicants that if you live in a CC&R
community 'Forget it!!'??

As the thread was/is developing anyone who currently lives in a CC&R
community should be discouraged from becoming a ham!

Deacon Dave



Framed that way, then, YES, a good friend would warn a neophyte about some
of the possible hassles of a hobby.

However, what prevents Bill from operating mobile, from his car? Or joining
a club and using its common station? Or, heaven forbid, finding an in-person
ham friend and setting up some kind of agreement to use his station (like
good old Bill comes over every Saturday afternoon with a pizza and a couple
of six-packs, and they do some contesting till the dials get too fuzzy to
read). Or, since he's retired, why doesn't Bill volunteer to set up a
station at one or two local schools, organize a radio club (remember them?),
and do something constructive in life instead of fighting a losing battle
against the HOA where he lives?

You are being fanatically short-sighted by insisting that an antenna farm is
needed or the hobby is impossible to pursue.

Ed
WB6WSN

Ed Price wrote:

"Dave Shrader" wrote:
The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Take his bank account and become a permanent new DX entity, maybe P5!!

Cecil Moore wrote:
Ed Price wrote:

"Dave Shrader" wrote:

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too
far.


But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:23:14 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Ed Price wrote:

"Dave Shrader" wrote:
The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?

Go on welfare and let his neighbors support him. Then when they
complain he can claim class discrimination. It just might work.

Roger (K8RI)

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Ed Price wrote:

"Dave Shrader" wrote:
The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too
far.

But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


I am not following your premise. What does this have with Bill being "poor"
and his ability, or restictions from,
putting up antennas? Heck, Cecil, I'm pretty "poor" myself! LOL! All that
does is keep me looking at HRO
catalogues and wishing I could buy more radios. It doesn't prevent me from
erecting antennas as my budget allows.

Jerry




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Jerry Oxendine wrote:

"Cecil Moore" wrote:
But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?

I am not following your premise. What does this have with Bill being "poor"
and his ability, or restictions from, putting up antennas?

A ham antenna is just one of the problems that Bill has. Why should a
ham antenna problem get more of a special treatment that any of Bill's
other problems? Premise #1: Some old people need free prescription drugs.
Premise #2: Some old people need free shoes. Premise #3: Some old people
need ham radio antennas. Where does it end?
--
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:11:03 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Jerry Oxendine wrote:

"Cecil Moore" wrote:
But Bill has bigger problems. His car broke down and he can't afford to
fix it. His electricity has been turned off. His shoes have holes in them.
He's three months late on his taxes. What should be done?

I am not following your premise. What does this have with Bill being "poor"
and his ability, or restictions from, putting up antennas?

A ham antenna is just one of the problems that Bill has. Why should a
ham antenna problem get more of a special treatment that any of Bill's
other problems? Premise #1: Some old people need free prescription drugs.
Premise #2: Some old people need free shoes. Premise #3: Some old people
need ham radio antennas. Where does it end?

You mean I wasted all those years, going to college (at age 47) and
then working to build up a retirement account when I could have gotten
some one else to foot the bill?

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com