In article ,
mentioned...
In sci.electronics.design Harris wrote:
Several people have and of course they are all dead.


Well, you can have shocks that would cause death if left untreated.
As some people get treated, they get to experience it all, apart from
actually getting planted.

That's near-death. There _is_ a difference.


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More likely a lawyer trolling for business.

Malcolm

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
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Several people have and of course they are all dead.

Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due

Yes it is. 'Fatal' doesn't have any slack in its definition. You could
modify it
by adding 'near' as a prefix.

course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what
I'm
driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW).
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but you can be clinicaly death and restarted can't you? so does fatal
imply
permenent death or can it be temporary?
Pat


The original poster must be a journalist.

Our newspaper this morning has a story about two men who were
"Electrocuted" in an industrial accident. They were treated and released
from hospital!

Dave

More likely a lawyer trolling for business.

Malcolm

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...

Several people have and of course they are all dead.

Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due

Yes it is. 'Fatal' doesn't have any slack in its definition. You could
modify it
by adding 'near' as a prefix.

course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what
I'm
driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW).
--


but you can be clinicaly death and restarted can't you? so does fatal
imply
permenent death or can it be temporary?
Pat


The original poster must be a journalist.

Our newspaper this morning has a story about two men who were
"Electrocuted" in an industrial accident. They were treated and released
from hospital!

Dave

"Paul Burridge" wrote in message =
...
=20
The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever
had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived?
=20

One of the guys on a maintenance crew I was on in a previous job
and was doing testing with managed to get a nice 415vac 400Hz
across the chest.

Doing testing in mec relay panel the relays were in the back of the =
panel / box and
the doors are where all the circuit breakers are mounted.
remeber he made contact with the uncovered terminal of a transformer.

I was working with him as well as a few others, activating =
sensors(sticking a spanner in front etc)
and he was confirming the right voltages were being recieved to activate =
relays etc.
Just heard a loud shout over the intercom and we all went running.

He was lucky he didn't get throw by it as he could have fallen about=20
10 foot on to the tarmac.

Just stunned at the time. Had to take him for a ecg afterwards
standard precaution. No problems at the time.

But his health seemed to deteriate after that.
Maybe it triggered an existing condition.
Six months later he suffered a heart attack.

From my own experiance, rf burns hurt more than
standard 50Hz ac or dc shocks even though I would have to
rate car iginition systems a close second.

Alex

"Paul Burridge" wrote in message =
...
=20
The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever
had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived?
=20

One of the guys on a maintenance crew I was on in a previous job
and was doing testing with managed to get a nice 415vac 400Hz
across the chest.

Doing testing in mec relay panel the relays were in the back of the =
panel / box and
the doors are where all the circuit breakers are mounted.
remeber he made contact with the uncovered terminal of a transformer.

I was working with him as well as a few others, activating =
sensors(sticking a spanner in front etc)
and he was confirming the right voltages were being recieved to activate =
relays etc.
Just heard a loud shout over the intercom and we all went running.

He was lucky he didn't get throw by it as he could have fallen about=20
10 foot on to the tarmac.

Just stunned at the time. Had to take him for a ecg afterwards
standard precaution. No problems at the time.

But his health seemed to deteriate after that.
Maybe it triggered an existing condition.
Six months later he suffered a heart attack.

From my own experiance, rf burns hurt more than
standard 50Hz ac or dc shocks even though I would have to
rate car iginition systems a close second.

Alex

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:58:13 -0700, "RP Henry" richard.p.henry@saic
dot com wrote:


"Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun'" wrote in message
. ..

Q: Twenty years ago, a plane is flying at 20,000 feet over Germany. If
you will recall, Germany at the time was politically divided into West
Germany and East Germany. Anyway, during the flight, TWO of the
engines fail. The pilot, realizing that the last remaining engine is
also failing, decides on a crash landing. Unfortunately, the engine
fails before he has time and the plane crashes smack in the middle of
"no-man's-land" between East Germany and West Germany. Where would you
bury the survivors - East Germany or West Germany or in "no-man's-
land?"

Since it was 20 years ago, some of the survivors might be dead by now, so
the joke loses a little of its punch.

Even more when you first heard it 20 years *before* the supposed
incident. :-)
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:58:13 -0700, "RP Henry" richard.p.henry@saic
dot com wrote:


"Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun'" wrote in message
. ..

Q: Twenty years ago, a plane is flying at 20,000 feet over Germany. If
you will recall, Germany at the time was politically divided into West
Germany and East Germany. Anyway, during the flight, TWO of the
engines fail. The pilot, realizing that the last remaining engine is
also failing, decides on a crash landing. Unfortunately, the engine
fails before he has time and the plane crashes smack in the middle of
"no-man's-land" between East Germany and West Germany. Where would you
bury the survivors - East Germany or West Germany or in "no-man's-
land?"

Since it was 20 years ago, some of the survivors might be dead by now, so
the joke loses a little of its punch.

Even more when you first heard it 20 years *before* the supposed
incident. :-)
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to write it." - Winston Churchill

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:55:28 -0700, Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun'
wrote:

In article ,
mentioned...

The question seems daft,

Yes, since the victim isn't going to be around to tell anyone.

but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever
had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived?

Bear with you, because you said one thing, but really meant another...

I think you've misunderstood. See my reply to Eric Immel.
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"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:55:28 -0700, Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun'
wrote:

In article ,
mentioned...

The question seems daft,

Yes, since the victim isn't going to be around to tell anyone.

but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever
had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived?

Bear with you, because you said one thing, but really meant another...

I think you've misunderstood. See my reply to Eric Immel.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

"Paul Burridge" wrote in message =
...
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:29:47 GMT, Eric Immel
wrote:
=20
Paul, are you asking if anyone has been killed, then revived?=20
=20
That's pretty close to what I'm getting at. What I *am* actually get
at is that theoretical physicists are coming around to the rather
extraordinary view that one cannot from one's own perspective be
killed by any sudden and dramatic life event. No matter how bad the
shock, you will always 'come around' to find that you've survived. The
tricky bit is that you'll probably have found yourself in a different
reality to the one you left. In the one you've left, observers will
see your cold, dead, smoking body lying sparko on the ground. Your
relatives will grieve, your obituary will be written. But *you* won't
know anything of that. You'll just believe you've had a lucky escape;
you'll go home and tell your friends and family all about it and years
later maybe you'll tell others via the Internet. Sounds nuts?
Incredible as it may seem, the majority of physicists currently
working in this field now believe this to be the case! And we're
talking world-class theoreticians here, not just the kooks who post to
alt.sci.theories.
=20
For further info, try Googling for the following:
Many Worlds theory
Max Tegel
Quantum suicide experiment
Quantum Theory of Imortality
David Deutsche
Schroedinger's Cat

Are yes, the multiverse people.

I think David Deutsche still has his page up on qubits.org

Alex