In article , Dave Heil
determined to be as snarly as possible scribbles in crayon:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

Right. There you go back into your professional background.

I've been working on that professional background for 51 years. :-)

That isn't amateur radio.

That isn't HAM radio, sweetums. "Amateur" is defined as "without
pecuniary interest." Even the FCC defines amateur radio that way.

Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields.

You are out standing in your field now.

You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur.

Poor baby. Still so confused, scrunching up his fat little fingers,
bound and determined to Have His Way! :-)

Hobbyists in radio are defineable as amateurs in radio if they do not
make any income from it.

LICENSES in amateur radio are required to transmit RF on allocated
amateur radio bands in order to be legal with the federal government.

Poor baby, doesn't understand that amateur radio licenses are NO
GOOD outside of allocated amateur bands. That's true. Anyone can
verify that with Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, especially in
Parts 1 and 2..

Did you know that the federal government can operate all kinds of RF
emitters without having ANY operators licensed? True. A ham license
there isn't worth the price of a ham sandwich. No criminal liability!

Don't you just HATE it when your rant gets destroyed?

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all.

:-) I haven't been involved in LICENSED amateur radio.

Too bad I can't bring up Jim Fisk as a reference (he is SK). I don't
know about Alf Wilson, W6NIF, or Rich Rosen. They were rather
involved with HAM RADIO. :-)

I guess you really showed us, huh?

That's not difficult. :-)


I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want
you to mislead others now, would we?

Anyone can read these public postings without your selective
editing. :-)

You don't seem to comprehend half of it, but that's quite another
problem and all yours.


Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking".

Morsemanship isn't "talking." It's beeping.


Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Wrong. NOBODY can become unvolved until they take steps to do so.
You can read up on astronomy. That alone does not make you an
astronomer.

Oh? Astronomers need to be "licensed" and take a morse test?

I don't think so. But, if your false statement makes you happy, why
should I upset your nirvana?

[you might research "astronomy" and who spots what, but that would
make you see stars...]

You can peruse magazines and books on auto repair. Those things alone
do not make you a car mechanic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Riiiiight. I guess Kragen and all those auto parts stores are doomed
for lack of sales, right? :-)


Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license.

Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a
number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard.

Noooo, noooo. You are desperately trying to hang on but are
inexorably drawn over the edge. It's a very long drop below you...

LICENSED amateur radio is what you are trying (vainly) to say and then
only to be legal with the federal government on transmitting RF energy
WITHIN allocated amateur radio bands. As the FCC explains, an
amateur radio license is NOT required for transmitting RF energy outside
of amateur radio bands. That sort of thing is quite illegal. :-).

That's only for CIVILIAN radio services and the FCC has NO jurisdiction
over government users of radio.

But, did you know that UNLICENSED civilians can use certain allocated
radio bands and transmit RF energy without taking a single test? True!
Been several of those since 1958! Ask the FCC about non-amateur
radio services if you are too "involved" in amateur radio activity to go
look it up. :-)

Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the
box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a
single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio
license.

Poor baby. Still angry over the past?

You STILL can't understand why I am here. I've explained it enough
times, but your have this set-in-concrete mind that can't get flexible
enough to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

If you are still munching cashews from your glorious middle Africa
"Foreign Service" days, I'd throw them out...either than or too much
beeping has affected your mind. [Guinea-Bisseau is the African
center for cashew exporting...about their best export...]


Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

You've commented. End of involvement.

Not even close to the "end."

"Comments" are NOT "involvement" even in your distorted little Middle
Earth view, Frodo. [you aren't Golem, but the resemblance is there]


A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them
into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you
persist in deleting that very important word?

Sigh..."amateur" refers to an activity without pecuniary interest. The
FCC uses those same words. [the FCC granted your amateur radio
license]

The word "amateur" (with or without all-capitals) does not explicitly
say TRANSMISSION OF RF ENERGY IN ALLOCATED AMATEUR
RADIO BANDS. Your prized amateur radio license is NO GOOD for
legal transmission of RF energy OUTSIDE of allocated amateur bands.

In fact, in some U.S. civilian radio services it is perfectly legal to
transmit RF energy WITHOUT a license of any kind!!! Sunovagun!

Poor baby. Another Heilian rant shot down in flames.


You've misdefined your interest.

Not me. YOU. All wrong, Golem...er, I mean Frodo.

I HAVE defined my "interest" quite correctly.

That you totally refuse to believe it is not my problem. Yours.

Your intellectual presbyopia is glaringly obvious.

You have interest in internet newsgroup posting.

No more so than regular physical exercise. :-)

I have lots of interest in my bank. I have monetary interest elsewhere.

You have interest in outlining your past professional glories.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, very subjective use of adjectives on your part.

I've spent 51 years in professional radio-electronics activity and none
of it can qualify as "glorious." Intellectually INTERESTING, yes, and
some of it quite enjoyable. If some of it was more involved than what
you did, TS, that's the breaks of life.

Maybe your distemper is flaring up again because I got assigned to
a very large HF transmitting facility while in the U.S. Army...and got
rank and responsibility operating many high-powered HF transmitters.
51 years ago. Before your first hamme raddio license. TS for you.

You aren't involved in amateur radio.

Not involved in TRANSMITTING RF ENERGY ON ALLOCATED HAM
BANDS, true. :-)

TRANSMIT, Baggins, TRANSMIT. Like in legal RF energy within
those tight, confining HF band bounds.

I'm just advocating the elimination of morse code testing for any radio
license but you desperately want to make that some kind of grande
production of drama and pathos, a giant mountain built out of a mole
hill of your old morse message blanks. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you try such
theatrics! Do you have an interest in the theater? :-)

I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-)

LHA / WMD