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Frank of Silliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your twisted little fantasies. I understand them fine. You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it. And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal. Obviously they weren't. Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ...... I know more than you think. I also know your convictions can still be appealed. Guess you don't care enough to fix them...or you were trutly guilty as charged and just don't want to get your nose rubbed in your Silliness again... And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was pock-marked with not one but two court martials. No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-. Based on what? A less than Honorable discharge? Yeeeah...Right. You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie. Only in -your- eyes, Dudly, because you deny the facts. What facts? That you were incompetent as a Marine and twice court martialed? I accept that. You have certainly proven your worthiness of the discharge you received here, that's for sure. Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio operator. So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in this group before. For once you come close to some truth. That didn't hurt too bad, did it? You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a "positive" thing...) Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a ham? It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible" attitude shows... You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in response to MARKIE'S frequent changes. So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise.... As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour... And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's Especially considering the source of the phrase -- someone that would rather call me schoolyard names instead of addressing the facts. They've been "addressed", Frankie. You just insist on continuing to try and make it appear otherwise. But I really am suprised that you haven't started with the Gilligan jokes; like, "Hey Frank, where's the professor?", or "How come you haven't bopped Mary Ann?" Perhaps the Professor bores easily and Mary Ann has better taste...?!?! After all, that type of rhetoric certainly isn't beneath you, as you have proven in the past few days. Were you saving those quips for later? Naw, you probably aren't smart enough to think of stuff like that -- I didn't start to hear the Gilligan jokes until 5th or 6th grade, and you seem to be limited to a 3rd grade education. As a matter of fact, no, I hadn't thought of any "Gilligan" jokes, nor would I have... But YOU did, which leads me to wonder from what scarred psyche you draw that from. As for the "last few days", I point out that YOU have done nothing but simply go from being marginally plausible in your arguments to being absolutely comical. You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. No more than any other, Frankie. Nice try. Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else. You fell off your pedestal, Dudly. I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone. Had you been paying attention at some time in the past, you would have known that. And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal. The difference is that I never tried to be the spelling cop. You did. Once again, it's not about me, Dudly. It's about you and your lies (or hypocrisy, as the case may be). What lies? What hipocracy? All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you. So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the thread? Dave Heil was quite passionate about your defense, yet even -he- hasn't posted for quite a while. Maybe he started looking at the situation objectively and saw that you -are- a fraud. Who knows. I'm sure he will speak for himself on the subject..... eventually. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! I see...Someone doesn't tow your line for more than a post or two and they have "abandoned" something... Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS, Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of things. Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out to be... Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because they have no interest in defending your lies. What lies? Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single one, Frankie. No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to records that verify my having served. YOUR lie disposed of. In your frenzy of hatred you don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says 'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like "General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was honorable then there's no need to get it changed. Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST "Honorable". No qualifiers. That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly. Nice try again, Frankie. You're getting lame. And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only truthfulness of the Marine Corps. You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to fix that. And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too. And even after your tirade about me snipping your posts you just snipped my point about your "HONORABLE" discharge being "original" while claiming to have had it later upgraded. That's evasive, Dudly. So what does your -REVISED- discharge certificate say? What you quote as "upgraded" was nothing of the sort. But it seems YOU are all about fighting other people's fights, all the while trying to "diss" others who speak up in support of me. Just one more bogus excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you -do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either. Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie. Prove it. Prove me wrong, Dudly. Post any sort of convincing proof that you are who you claim. Anything that I have posted to prove my -own- service will be just fine (except for the telephone token, of course). Already proven "wrong" by (1) my name and picture on several sites and (2) by providing refrence to public records that you have already "dismissed". Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me. You're embarrassing yourself but you are too embellished in your lies to admit it -- probably even to yourself. Nope. I tell the truth about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will -ever- achieve. Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful thing, Frankie. So you are trying once again to misrepresent my statements -- I said nothing of the sort. I -am- proud of what I have accomplished in life, and I -am- proud to have the integrity to be honest about who I am. Apparently these simple concepts elude your understanding. That's something for which you can blame your mommy and daddy -- clearly they didn't teach you about such virtues as honesty and integrity. I am not misrepresenting your statements in the least. You present yourself here as some sort of "authority" on all-things-Marine, but have been proven to have been an incompetent Marine...Yet you wear your failure like some badge of honor... That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do what you promised you'd do. I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a single black mark in my SRB. Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear on "America's Most Wanted". Why would I do that? The criminals that are profiled may have the same anti-social characteristics as you, but as far as I know you haven't done anything so bad as to get your mug-shot shown on national TV..... or have you? Nice twist..smooth...avoided the bullet but still close enough to hear it whistle by your ear... And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention. And you...?!?! I have already posted more than enough info to prove my service -beyond- the scope of public records, yet short of disclosing my SSN. I showed you that it -can- be done, and -how- it can be done. What's your excuse -NOW-? What "excuse" do I need? I HAVE provided reference to public records, and those records are as irrefuteable as the Privacy Act protected ones. You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie. What does that have to do with your failure to provide proof of your USMC service? I haven't failed. You simply refuse to accept that it's the truth. That's YOUR problem, frankie, not mine. As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to validate my "claims", as you call them through... What does it mean to "call them through..."? Is that how to use "effective paragraphs"? YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone with a similar name claiming someone else's "service". It's just another type of "identity theft" and it happens all the time. Don't you watch the news? Sure I do. And it's not applicable here. It's just a Feeble Five attempt to avoid the truth. Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness. Of course you expect such criticism -- you have already rationalized that as an excuse to -not- provide such information. But you are ignoring the fact that I provided my DD-214 in high resolution just to pre-empt such a claim. And because it was high resolution I didn't scan the whole document -- it would have been a -huge- file. Now THERE is an excuse! Thirty years ago that WOULD have been a "-huge-" file to a TRS-80 that loaded data on music cassette tapes. Besides, the whole document isn't needed. Just the important parts, such as what I included in mine. So what's your excuse -=NOW=-, Dudly? There's no "excuse", Frankie... References to publically available resources have been made. You refuse to follow them up. Oh well. And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is a fraud, and your life is a fraud. Nope. Well, that's proof for sure. I guess all the facts are moot and you must be telling the truth about everything because you replied with a definitive "Nope". Thanks for clarifying that for me, Dudly. Unlike you and Lennie, I don't need to re-write "War and Peace" to effective respond. "Nope" was adequate. But your stories about it are. Feel free to prove me wrong. Already done. You're too much the coward to follow the trail yourself, Frankie. Frank Gilliland is a liar. More "truth-by-repitition". One would think by now that you could come up with a more effective argument...... or maybe even some proof! "repetition". It's already been proven...In each and every line where you call me a "fraud" or other such adjective over my USMC service. Refrences to public records have been provided. They prove that Frank Gilliland is a liar. Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective, and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your lies, and be yourself. What lies? The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five Bretheren. Apparently you haven't been reading my posts..... oh, that's right, your reading comprehension extends only so far as to absorb whatever fits into your fantasy world. Obvioulsy you've not been reading MINE, or you'd know whatever fantasies I hold have nothing to do with you or the Feeble Five. Well, that's your problem, Dudly. Nope. It's yours. Everyone else here can read them with an objective frame of mind. And don't forget that your lies are now in the archives for however long the archives exist. IOW, they might be read by your great-great- grandkids (god forbid you should ever reproduce). I can only imagine how disillusioned they will be to find out who and what you really are. Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned. Disillusioned that grandpa got into a "fight" with a man he didn't know over issues that were easily disporven in the public domain. Silly Frankie... Well, don't be discouraged because you probably won't have to face them, even though they will be the victims of your public dysfunction. Maybe even the subject of public ridicule. And all because you get your kicks by impersonating someone you aren't. And there we have it again... Frank Gilliland making an untrue assertion in a public forum. Even if you -are- who you claim, they sure as hell aren't going to be proud of your behavior in this newsgroup over the past several years. But that's not your problem. And I seriously doubt it will be thiers... You will catch some flack to be sure, but that will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know! People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to manufacture here. Who? Anyone who has had professional interaction with me. Physicians and Nurses from California to Chattanooga...Marines that I served with. People who's lives I touch each and every day I go to work. But if you keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business. And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my service in public. Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served. I already have. For the past couple weeks you have had the opportunity to make an absolute fool out of me -- what's preventing you from doing so? I'll tell you: because your claims are nothing but lies. No... Frank Gilliland has been making an absolute fool out of Frank Gilliland...What more could I possibly do? Frank has proven that he's a disgraced, court martialed (twice) ex-Marine. Now, just because he "says so", wants anyone/everyone to "trust" him when "dissing" MY service... Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. Right. You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps, Gilliland... ...yawn. And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine. You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about. Actually, I'm the bartender. No wonder the drinks are watered down. So what'll it be, Dudly? I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie. Of course you will -- you can't face the reality of your mental illness so you need someone else to blame (it's always someone else's fault, isn't it, Dudly?). Ah, yes! Just like the REST of the Feeble Five... Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental illness"... You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw. A loser. If you believe it, it must be true. Facts? FACTS? We don't need no stinking FACTS!!! LOL!!! There are TWO facts here... I did Honorably serve in the United States Marine Corps and you're still a loser. To quote you...."yawn"... Steve, K4YZ |
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