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Old August 29th 05, 03:57 AM
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Dave Heil wrote:

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Dave Heil wrote:

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From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm

K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote:




Just as they have not permitted you to comment about "amateur" radio
because you hold no license, NoServers may not comment about the
military.


Hold on, Sparky. Len has commented here at great length and on many,
many occasions.



[...and I will continue to do so, regardless of control freaks
who attempt to silence those against them...]


That's nice, Len. Who attempted to silence you? Have you told anyone
to shut up or leave the newsgroup? :-) :-)


And what has Jim's response been to Len's comments?


It has been quite varied and quite mild considering Len's typical
insulting demeanor.



Oh, my! "typical insulting demeanor?" Davie is above such
things? Not by all the archives in Google! :-)


Yes, Len, your typical insulting demeanor. You know, the one which
brought about the creation of Jim's apropos profile of your likely actions:

N2EY: "Besides, here's a simple, plain fact:

No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic
slurs, excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior."





What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to

prevent Len from making those comments.


Right now, there's not a damn thing Jimmie can do about it...


Slow down and regroup, Len. Jim has done nothing to prevent you from
commenting to this newsgroup or to your government. Your rant is vapor.


The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions. In the end, if they cannot
lay waste to Len's comments with rational argument(s), they claim that
his opinions are simply no good because Len isn't a ham. David
Heil/K8MN is a primary culprit in that tactic, but Jim has used it as
well.



The PCTA have been bound and determined to keep morse code
purity in U.S. amateur radio IN ANY WAY THEY CAN...since back
in the 1990s and led by Jim Kehler, KH2D, an avowed PCTA.


Yes, by God, he's an AVOWED PCTA, heh heh. Those characters have tried
to retain morse testing "IN ANY WAY THEY CAN". Do you think they were
ever involved in kidnappings or dog poisonings?

[sorry, Brian, I know you like Kehler, but he was NOT kind,
gracious, or anything else civil to me...as old archives show]


As I recall, you never gave him any reasons to be kind, gracious or
civil toward you.

Heil's "argument" is that NO ONE UNLICENSED CAN POSSIBLY TALK
ANYTHING ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. That is patently FALSE.


You're right. Your statement is patently false. You've written and
written and written and written. I've made no attempt to stop you from
writing. I've countered you. I've pointed out that you have no
standing in amateur radio. I've stated that you have no experience in
amateur radio. Those things are all true. I've laughed at you. I've
ridiculed you.

The FCC does not require any staff or Commissioners to hold
amateur radio license grants in order to REGULATE and ENFORCE
U.S. amateur radio.


That's great. You aren't with the FCC. You don't regulate or enforce
amateur radio. FCC staffers are paid to regulate and enforce amateur
radio.

You aren't a licensed radio amateur. You don't participate in amateur
radio.

You've commented to the FCC. The FCC is under no obligation to adopt
your ideas, agree with your comments or to take them seriously.

There is NO SUCH PROVISO forbidding U.S.
citizens from discussing ANY federal regulations or laws.


You've discussed. Many have laughed.

Heil says one MUST have a license, be a "participant" in amateur
radio in order to speak about it in any way.


There's one of your factual errors now. No, I've not stated such.
You've "spoken" if you want to consider a newsgroup posting or written
comments to the FCC as "speaking".

That is still
FALSE.


Your statement? Yes, it is.

Such would forbid newcomers from doing anything priod
to any test, to remain silent, to blindly accept anything about
law, regulation, or even "moral-ethical" issues. Heil wants
SHEEP who blindly accept HIS control/dictates/commands.


As inspirational reading goes, your statement is pretty b-a-a-a-a-d.

Diplomatic Dave seems to have completely MISSED what Department
of State uses as its primary tool in carrying out U.S. foreign
policy: Diplomacy.


I'll remember your words if you're ever declared a foreign country.


Dave is the antithesis of this as a
demanding dictator, a self-styled self-propelled tyrant who
forbids any opposite opinions from his.


You're getting confused again, old timer. I'm not the one who has told
others to shut up or leave a newsgroup. The person who did that would
be *you*.

Diplomatic Dave would
have us ALL throw out the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
because HE doesn't like opinions contrary to his!


There, there. You *are* confused. You don't like opposite opinions and
you don't like anyone not taking your pontifications seriously. You
insult and denigrate. You tell others to shut up or to leave.

It's no wonder that U.S. amateur radio is stagnating in the
number of licensed amateurs with EXAMPLES of the "highest rank"
in amateurdom such as Heil.


Amateur radio isn't stagnating, Len. You continue to show that you
simply don't know much about it.

Dave K8MN
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That's nice, Len. Who attempted to silence you? Have you told anyone to shut up or leave the newsgroup? :-) :-)


Well, there was the classic "feldwebel post"....

And what has Jim's response been to Len's comments?


It has been quite varied and quite mild considering
Len's typical insulting demeanor.


Oh, my! "typical insulting demeanor?" Davie is above such
things? Not by all the archives in Google! :-)


Yes, Len, your typical insulting demeanor.


I think you meant "behavior", Dave.

You know, the one which
brought about the creation of Jim's apropos profile of your
likely actions:

N2EY: "Besides, here's a simple, plain fact:

No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if
said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be
the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual
errors, ethnic
slurs, excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior."

Actually there's an updated version:

No matter what employment, education, experience or
government/military service a person has, if that
person opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be
the target of Mr. Anderson's insults, ridicule,
name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs,
excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior.

I've found it to be a very accurate predictor of Len's
behavior on rrap. Len of course has parodied/plaigirized
and in doing so simply provide more proof of its validity.

Note that the profile does not call Len names or
other direct insults. It simply predicts his behavior when
faced with opposition to his views.

Perhaps Len considers such opposition to be the
ultimate insult to him.

What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to
prevent Len from making those comments.


Nor would I. What I have done is to point out errors
in Len's reasoning and claims. And I backed it up
with google quotes and other info.

For example, some time back Len posted that all hams could
continue to operate legally with licenses that were in the grace
period. I showed that to be in error, by simply quoting the
appropriate sections of Part 97. Len's behavior in response to
that was typical of the profile.

Right now, there's not a damn thing Jimmie can do about
it...


There's plenty that people "can do about it". No one chooses to.
Not worth the time or effort.

Slow down and regroup, Len. Jim has done nothing to prevent
you from
commenting to this newsgroup or to your government. Your rant is vapor.


Dave, consider that perhaps Len considers *any* opposition to
his views as an attempt to silence him.

The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.


Free speech includes the right to discredit other's comments and
opinions if those comments and opinions are not based on facts and
sound logical reasoning. Some of Len's comments and opinions are not
based on facts and sound logical reasoning.

In the end, if they cannot
lay waste to Len's comments with rational argument(s),
they claim that
his opinions are simply no good because Len isn't a ham.


Actually the logic is quite different. It comes down to
asking why Len is so interested in amateur radio policy
even though Len is not a ham and has never been one. There
has been a nocodetest amateur radio license in the USA since
1991, yet Len never got one. The maximum code test required
for any US amateur radio license has been 5 wpm since 1990 (with
medical waiver) and since 2000 without a waiver.

Nor is Len a manufacturer of amateur radio equipment, nor does
he have anything to do with FCC.

More than 5-1/2 years ago, Len told us he was going for Extra,
but didn't say when, and it hasn't happened yet.

And regardless of how someone replies to Len's posts here, Len will
reply according to the profile.

It's just his way.

Why should anyone reply to his posts at all, Dave?

73 de Jim, N2EY

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In the end, if they cannot
lay waste to Len's comments with rational argument(s),
they claim that
his opinions are simply no good because Len isn't a ham.


Actually the logic is quite different. It comes down to
asking why Len is so interested in amateur radio policy
even though Len is not a ham and has never been one. There
has been a nocodetest amateur radio license in the USA since
1991, yet Len never got one. The maximum code test required
for any US amateur radio license has been 5 wpm since 1990 (with
medical waiver) and since 2000 without a waiver.

Nor is Len a manufacturer of amateur radio equipment, nor does
he have anything to do with FCC.

More than 5-1/2 years ago, Len told us he was going for Extra,
but didn't say when, and it hasn't happened yet.


So in the end, when Jim Miccolis/N2EY, David Heil/K8MN, Brian
Kelly/W3RV, and Steven J. Robeson/K4YZ/K4CAP point out that Len is not
an amateur, for what purpose do you do so? What do you hope to gain
from pointing out that Len isn't an amateur?

And regardless of how someone replies to Len's posts here, Len will
reply according to the profile.

It's just his way.

Why should anyone reply to his posts at all, Dave?

73 de Jim, N2EY


Hi, hi! You reply directly to my comment, then you act as if you are
speaking to Dave. Then you ask why anyone should reply to Len's posts
at all. More hi, hi's!

Jim, when you're ready to have a rational discussion with me, I'll be
here.

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So in the end, when Jim Miccolis/N2EY, David Heil/K8MN, Brian
Kelly/W3RV, and Steven J. Robeson/K4YZ/K4CAP point out that Len is not
an amateur, for what purpose do you do so? What do you hope to gain
from pointing out that Len isn't an amateur?


Indeed it does get tiresome that they go on and on about

Could we keep to once a month or once a week (valid I suppose if
someone slips in to let them Know)


There's something in there that they just won't come out an say. If
they do, it will likely be on Aaron Jones "Morse Myths" list. So they
get to the very edge of the ledge and peer over, afraid to make the
leap.

And regardless of how someone replies to Len's posts here, Len will
reply according to the profile.

It's just his way.

Why should anyone reply to his posts at all, Dave?

73 de Jim, N2EY


Hi, hi! You reply directly to my comment, then you act as if you are
speaking to Dave. Then you ask why anyone should reply to Len's posts
at all. More hi, hi's!

Jim, when you're ready to have a rational discussion with me, I'll be
here.


when we have a rational discussion it will likely merely be a front for
Procoder effort to assinate us, by shocking us into heart attacks


Jim probably sends secret morse code messages the other three Morsemen
begging them to reply to my or Len's comments or opinions, so that he
can then jump in without looking like he's actually addressing us.
Poor thing.



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Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

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So in the end, when Jim Miccolis/N2EY, David Heil/K8MN, Brian
Kelly/W3RV, and Steven J. Robeson/K4YZ/K4CAP point out that Len is not
an amateur, for what purpose do you do so? What do you hope to gain

from pointing out that Len isn't an amateur?


Indeed it does get tiresome that they go on and on about


On and on about?



about the subject of the text now 3 to 6 lines above this


Could we keep to once a month or once a week (valid I suppose if
someone slips in to let them Know)


Could we? How are you involved?



I guess you are syaing we can't. I am certainly involved in the NG much
to your ..disaproval shale we say



Jim, when you're ready to have a rational discussion with me, I'll be
here.


when we have a rational discussion it will likely merely be a front for
Procoder effort to assinate us, by shocking us into heart attacks


I have a sneaking hunch that you've been assinated any number of times.



Now you are showing your need for meds, serious meds


Get someone to read you what you wrote.

Dave K8MN


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