"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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Kim wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -



Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms ).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -



No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the
loser is one of the main ones.

Dan/W4NTI

From: on Thurs 30 Jun
2005 17:21


"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -


No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the
loser is one of the main ones.

"Loser?!?" :-)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Do you want me to give a precis of what I've WON out of life so
far or are you content to vent your enlarged spleen of anger
on what you think I wrote before? I can do that but it only
arouses more ANGER and assorted assinine abuse from the PCTA
crowd here.

There is NO "hate" except for all the Coders angry and upset that
no-coders don't give the Coders the "respect and honor" the Coders
think they deserve. In AMATEURISM, that small segment of the
entire radio world.

The U.S. amateur radio morse code TEST should go, Dannie. The
Coders will go soon enough. The code TEST has outlived its
usefulness long ago.

The Coslonaut started this thread with a pre-loaded emotional-
content-wrapped "question." Coslonaut does that from time to
time, desiring to be a Mover and Shaker in this newsgroup. He
might mean well (sometimes) but he has bought into the morse
myths and bravely trying to become an olde-fahrt hamme.

On your other posting -

Speaking of AC plugs Lennie the loser....how about doing us all a favor and
show your "eeee" competence at a level we all know you are at? Stick your
index finger and the little finger into the AC plug and write us a technical
report on the results.

It's IEEE, not "eeee," Double-Dipped Southern-Fried Dumm**** Dannie.
Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a professional
association. Roughly a quarter million members worldwide.

LONG before I joined the IEEE in 1973 I knew better than to "stick
fingers into an AC socket." Nominal 115 VAC can be LETHAL, Dannie.

Follow the "30-30" rule: Anything above 30 Volts and/or above
30 mA source current can cause heart fibrilation and resulting
death...if the conducting path is through the upper chest area.

At present I can measure the voltage across an AC outlet. With
precision I would use my 4 1/2 digit DVM (made in France), secondly
with one of my 3 1/2 digit DVMs (made in China), thirdly with my
home-built expanded scale voltmeter that is part of a variable
autotransformer controlled 135 W AC source for measuring power
supply stability. For just presence or absence of AC voltage, a
cute little non-contacting capacitive-sensing light/clicker will
do (made in China, bought at Lowes)...or just plugging in a 115
V lamp. No problem. I would have listed my AC chart recorder but
I ran out of paper about 9 years ago and haven't had a need to use
it since. Got that in a trade for other things even longer ago.
It still works fine without chart paper but only for short periods
of about 20 minutes using 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Putz.

Now now, Dannie. You are UPSET and wanting to FIGHT with someone.

Did you lose a fight with that quadruplegic down at VFW hall again?

Don't try to "tell" me about radio communications, Dannie, you will
only make things worse, annoy me, and waste my time (and everyone
else's). You don't have the semantic/literary skills to outclass
me. [you never did] The best thing you are able to do in here is
to copy the antics of the Tennessee Talibanian and none of that is
any sort of "discussion." Tsk, tsk. I had hoped you were better
than that, but now you've dashed any optimistic hope with the use
of ethnic pejoratives that are not your native language.

Go work some DX on HF with CW. It will make you feel better. You
aren't even third-rate at computer-modem comms.

Gawd Lennie the loser is so easy. Its like kicking a dog till he yelps.

Dan/W4NTI

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From: on Thurs 30 Jun
2005 17:21


"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -


No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the
loser is one of the main ones.

"Loser?!?" :-)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Do you want me to give a precis of what I've WON out of life so
far or are you content to vent your enlarged spleen of anger
on what you think I wrote before? I can do that but it only
arouses more ANGER and assorted assinine abuse from the PCTA
crowd here.

There is NO "hate" except for all the Coders angry and upset that
no-coders don't give the Coders the "respect and honor" the Coders
think they deserve. In AMATEURISM, that small segment of the
entire radio world.

The U.S. amateur radio morse code TEST should go, Dannie. The
Coders will go soon enough. The code TEST has outlived its
usefulness long ago.

The Coslonaut started this thread with a pre-loaded emotional-
content-wrapped "question." Coslonaut does that from time to
time, desiring to be a Mover and Shaker in this newsgroup. He
might mean well (sometimes) but he has bought into the morse
myths and bravely trying to become an olde-fahrt hamme.

On your other posting -

Speaking of AC plugs Lennie the loser....how about doing us all a favor
and
show your "eeee" competence at a level we all know you are at? Stick
your
index finger and the little finger into the AC plug and write us a
technical
report on the results.

It's IEEE, not "eeee," Double-Dipped Southern-Fried Dumm**** Dannie.
Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a professional
association. Roughly a quarter million members worldwide.

LONG before I joined the IEEE in 1973 I knew better than to "stick
fingers into an AC socket." Nominal 115 VAC can be LETHAL, Dannie.

Follow the "30-30" rule: Anything above 30 Volts and/or above
30 mA source current can cause heart fibrilation and resulting
death...if the conducting path is through the upper chest area.

At present I can measure the voltage across an AC outlet. With
precision I would use my 4 1/2 digit DVM (made in France), secondly
with one of my 3 1/2 digit DVMs (made in China), thirdly with my
home-built expanded scale voltmeter that is part of a variable
autotransformer controlled 135 W AC source for measuring power
supply stability. For just presence or absence of AC voltage, a
cute little non-contacting capacitive-sensing light/clicker will
do (made in China, bought at Lowes)...or just plugging in a 115
V lamp. No problem. I would have listed my AC chart recorder but
I ran out of paper about 9 years ago and haven't had a need to use
it since. Got that in a trade for other things even longer ago.
It still works fine without chart paper but only for short periods
of about 20 minutes using 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Putz.

Now now, Dannie. You are UPSET and wanting to FIGHT with someone.

Did you lose a fight with that quadruplegic down at VFW hall again?

Don't try to "tell" me about radio communications, Dannie, you will
only make things worse, annoy me, and waste my time (and everyone
else's). You don't have the semantic/literary skills to outclass
me. [you never did] The best thing you are able to do in here is
to copy the antics of the Tennessee Talibanian and none of that is
any sort of "discussion." Tsk, tsk. I had hoped you were better
than that, but now you've dashed any optimistic hope with the use
of ethnic pejoratives that are not your native language.

Go work some DX on HF with CW. It will make you feel better. You
aren't even third-rate at computer-modem comms.

From: "Dan/W4NTI"Dum****Dan_southern-fried_dip****@KKK_R_US on Fri 1
Jul 2005 22:35

There it is folks, a disgruntled CBer that couldn't learn the code and
failed his ham test.

So much for Lennie the loser.

(of course now he will deny he actually tried to take the test.....well at
least that is how he remembers it).

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dannie thinks he is kicking stray dogs again...

I DID take THE test...with the FCC...in Chicago...at the beginning
of March, 1956. For a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operator license. Passed. One sitting, interrupted only by a fire
drill in the Federal building that day.

NEVER took a ham test with the FCC, VEC, or FDA.

Took a couple of practice written tests on the Internet...passed
them, too. No problem. Rather low-level knowledge of radio,
mostly memorization of existing regulations.

Has Dannie ever taken any COLLEGE LEVEL ENGINEERING COURSES?
And the TESTS that go with those? I have. Passed them, too.

Actually, I've "passed" the most stringent TEST of all...using
and applying gained knowledge to insure a paycheck arrived
regularly from my employer (as an electronics design engineer...
and income derived for my partner-ship (which involved a base
and mobile radio requiring that FCC Radiotelephone license).
Passed those, too.

Just what DID Dannie Dip**** "pass" besides gas and a morse
code test? "Out" maybe?

Have a nice evening down at the VFW hall tonight. Try to avoid
that quadruplegic lest you get beat up again.

Temper fry.

wrote:

. . my employer (as an electronics design engineer...
and income derived for my partner-ship (which involved a base
and mobile radio requiring that FCC Radiotelephone license).
Passed those, too.

Passed the "test" for that license too eh Sweetums?? Congratulations.

Bwaaahahaha!




w3rv

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From: "Dan/W4NTI"Dum****Dan_southern-fried_dip****@KKK_R_US on Fri 1
Jul 2005 22:35

There it is folks, a disgruntled CBer that couldn't learn the code and
failed his ham test.

So much for Lennie the loser.

(of course now he will deny he actually tried to take the test.....well at
least that is how he remembers it).

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dannie thinks he is kicking stray dogs again...

I DID take THE test...with the FCC...in Chicago...at the beginning
of March, 1956. For a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operator license. Passed. One sitting, interrupted only by a fire
drill in the Federal building that day.

NEVER took a ham test with the FCC, VEC, or FDA.

Took a couple of practice written tests on the Internet...passed
them, too. No problem. Rather low-level knowledge of radio,
mostly memorization of existing regulations.

Has Dannie ever taken any COLLEGE LEVEL ENGINEERING COURSES?
And the TESTS that go with those? I have. Passed them, too.

Actually, I've "passed" the most stringent TEST of all...using
and applying gained knowledge to insure a paycheck arrived
regularly from my employer (as an electronics design engineer...
and income derived for my partner-ship (which involved a base
and mobile radio requiring that FCC Radiotelephone license).
Passed those, too.

Just what DID Dannie Dip**** "pass" besides gas and a morse
code test? "Out" maybe?

Have a nice evening down at the VFW hall tonight. Try to avoid
that quadruplegic lest you get beat up again.

Temper fry.


Very impresive indeed Lennie. Got any proof? Your the one that demand
proof all the time....put it up right here. You have a scanner, right?

I never had a need for the 1st or 2nd commercial. Most to all of my
electronics technicial work was done with military contractors, or
companies that had a 1st ph there already. Of course you do realize that
all the first pnones and seconds were just dropped away. So they really
didn't amount to much anyway.

Sorta like the ham tests of today. And hey good deal on passing the on-line
tests of today. Pre teen age children do the same with ease. What does
that tell you Lennie?

I don't belong to the VFW Lennie. They didn't want any Vietnam Vets to join
a few years ago (course they want us now), so I gave them their wish. I
am a lifetime member of the DAV however. Oh you know them don't ya Lennie?
Only way to get in is to be disabled while in military service and have a
service connected rating.

We don't have a local branch I'm sorry to say. I may join with the Vietnam
Veterans of America, ain't decided just yet.

See ya.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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Very impresive indeed Lennie. Got any proof? Your the one that demand
proof all the time....put it up right here. You have a scanner, right?


"impressive" You're "demands"

I never had a need for the 1st or 2nd commercial. Most to all of my
electronics technicial work was done with military contractors, or
companies that had a 1st ph there already. Of course you do realize that
all the first pnones and seconds were just dropped away. So they really
didn't amount to much anyway.


Of course, pnones?

Sorta like the ham tests of today. And hey good deal on passing the
on-line
tests of today. Pre teen age children do the same with ease. What does
that tell you Lennie?


And, hey, you, Lennie?

I don't belong to the VFW Lennie. They didn't want any Vietnam Vets to
join
a few years ago (course they want us now), so I gave them their wish. I
am a lifetime member of the DAV however. Oh you know them don't ya
Lennie?
Only way to get in is to be disabled while in military service and have a
service connected rating.


VFW, Lennie. ('course...) DAV, however. Oh, ya, Lennie? in, is

We don't have a local branch I'm sorry to say. I may join with the
Vietnam
Veterans of America, ain't decided just yet.

See ya.

Dan/W4NTI


branch, I'm.

So, several posts, with typical human error. Is that ignorance of the very
language you speak, Dan? Remember how you go off on tirades all the time
about my "ignorance" of ham radio. Payback is hell, ain't it?

I'll quit now. I made my point, even though you'll be indignantly opposed
to it.

Kim W5TIT

From: "Kim" on Sun 3 Jul 2005 00:51

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message

So, several posts, with typical human error. Is that ignorance of the very
language you speak, Dan? Remember how you go off on tirades all the time
about my "ignorance" of ham radio. Payback is hell, ain't it?

I'll quit now. I made my point, even though you'll be indignantly opposed
to it.

Tsk. A whole six-pack of Billy Beer will do that. :-)

As somebody once wrote in here once, "Ya jes' cain't fix stupid!"

Or, I might add, a drunkard...

Hey Kim.....so what?.....At least I didn't pay (how many bux???) for a
callsign that brings sham on yourself.

How you like that?

Dan/W4NTI

"Kim" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
hlink.net...



Very impresive indeed Lennie. Got any proof? Your the one that demand
proof all the time....put it up right here. You have a scanner, right?


"impressive" You're "demands"

I never had a need for the 1st or 2nd commercial. Most to all of my
electronics technicial work was done with military contractors, or
companies that had a 1st ph there already. Of course you do realize
that
all the first pnones and seconds were just dropped away. So they really
didn't amount to much anyway.


Of course, pnones?

Sorta like the ham tests of today. And hey good deal on passing the
on-line
tests of today. Pre teen age children do the same with ease. What does
that tell you Lennie?


And, hey, you, Lennie?

I don't belong to the VFW Lennie. They didn't want any Vietnam Vets to
join
a few years ago (course they want us now), so I gave them their wish.
I
am a lifetime member of the DAV however. Oh you know them don't ya
Lennie?
Only way to get in is to be disabled while in military service and have a
service connected rating.


VFW, Lennie. ('course...) DAV, however. Oh, ya, Lennie? in, is

We don't have a local branch I'm sorry to say. I may join with the
Vietnam
Veterans of America, ain't decided just yet.

See ya.

Dan/W4NTI


branch, I'm.

So, several posts, with typical human error. Is that ignorance of the
very
language you speak, Dan? Remember how you go off on tirades all the time
about my "ignorance" of ham radio. Payback is hell, ain't it?

I'll quit now. I made my point, even though you'll be indignantly opposed
to it.

Kim W5TIT

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Very impresive indeed Lennie. Got any proof? Your the one that demand
proof all the time....put it up right here. You have a scanner, right?

No. That would be me.

Do you have something that needs proved?

I never had a need for the 1st or 2nd commercial.

What's your problem?

I've never had a need for morse code, but I took the tests.

Got the GROL at the same time I passed the Advanced and Extra writtens.
Didn't do so hot on the morse code tests back when I was actually
interested.

Most to all of my
electronics technicial work was done with military contractors, or
companies that had a 1st ph there already. Of course you do realize that
all the first pnones and seconds were just dropped away. So they really
didn't amount to much anyway.

Sorta like the ham tests of today. And hey good deal on passing the on-line
tests of today. Pre teen age children do the same with ease. What does
that tell you Lennie?

I don't belong to the VFW Lennie. They didn't want any Vietnam Vets to join
a few years ago (course they want us now), so I gave them their wish.

Do you grant everyone their wish?

I
am a lifetime member of the DAV however. Oh you know them don't ya Lennie?
Only way to get in is to be disabled while in military service and have a
service connected rating.

My brother belongs to DAV. I belong to VFW. My dad is active in the
American Legion.

What's this all about? A place to drink beer?

We don't have a local branch I'm sorry to say.

You meant a "post." Start one.

I may join with the Vietnam
Veterans of America, ain't decided just yet.

Never heard of them.

See ya.

Thanks for the warning. ;^)