Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

Since the chain of command was already in the
field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered
me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also
refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a
summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to
private. And a big hit on my conduct marks.

It's all becoming very, very clear.

Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex?

It wouldn't matter.

Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups".

A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters
irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command.

That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent.

He had recource. He didn't pursue it.

Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with
Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having
judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and
had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have,
at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article
15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the
"big story" than Frankie's telling of it...


Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The
presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision
based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include
the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet
occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a
reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal
order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit
into your twisted little fantasies.

I understand them fine.

You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it.

And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in
your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal.

Obviously they weren't.

And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at
your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with
facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively
calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but
repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you-
think are effective at bolstering your credibility.

My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was
pock-marked with not one but two court martials.

You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie.

Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in
the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio
operator.

You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a
"positive" thing...)

You used to try
and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with
almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out
of -this- thread.

If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in
response to MARKIE'S frequent changes.

And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's
Silliness" is pretty appropriate.

You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost
every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic
rage that comes over you when replying to my posts.

No more than any other, Frankie.

Nice try.

And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I
ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal.

All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you.

So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the
thread?

Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out
to be...

In your frenzy of hatred you
don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous
claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says
'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like
"General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was
honorable then there's no need to get it changed.

Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST
"Honorable". No qualifiers.

And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only
truthfulness of the Marine Corps.

You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to
fix that.

And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too.

Just one more bogus
excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts
you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can
spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you
-do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use
cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either.

Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie.

Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me.

I tell the truth
about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my
credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that
openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will
-ever- achieve.

Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and
convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful
thing, Frankie.

Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear
on "America's Most Wanted".

And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort
into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just
scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out
the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be
resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't
because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention.

And you...?!?!

You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie.

As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to
validate my "claims", as you call them through...

YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone
with a similar name claiming someone else's "service".

Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the
same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness.

And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your
stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is
a fraud, and your life is a fraud.

Nope.

But your stories about it are.

Frank Gilliland is a liar.

Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from
the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective,
and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your
lies, and be yourself.

What lies?

The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five
Bretheren.

You will catch some flack to be sure, but that
will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize
this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't
accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know!

People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished
in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to
manufacture here.

But if you
keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to
improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this
negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you
who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business.

And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my
service in public.

You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps,
Gilliland...

You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about.

So what'll it be, Dudly?

I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie.

You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced
non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw.

A loser.

Steve, K4YZ

On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

Since the chain of command was already in the
field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered
me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also
refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a
summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to
private. And a big hit on my conduct marks.

It's all becoming very, very clear.

Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex?

It wouldn't matter.

Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups".

A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters
irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command.

That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent.

He had recource. He didn't pursue it.

Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with
Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having
judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and
had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have,
at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article
15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the
"big story" than Frankie's telling of it...


Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The
presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision
based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include
the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet
occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a
reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal
order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit
into your twisted little fantasies.

I understand them fine.

You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it.

And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in
your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal.

Obviously they weren't.


Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by
yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or
an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available
or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in
the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ......


And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at
your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with
facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively
calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but
repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you-
think are effective at bolstering your credibility.

My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was
pock-marked with not one but two court martials.


No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims
you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the
facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-.


You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie.


Only in -your- eyes, Dudly, because you deny the facts.


Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in
the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio
operator.


So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in
this group before.


You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a
"positive" thing...)


Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a
ham?


You used to try
and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with
almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out
of -this- thread.

If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in
response to MARKIE'S frequent changes.


So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise....


And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's
Silliness" is pretty appropriate.


Especially considering the source of the phrase -- someone that would
rather call me schoolyard names instead of addressing the facts. But I
really am suprised that you haven't started with the Gilligan jokes;
like, "Hey Frank, where's the professor?", or "How come you haven't
bopped Mary Ann?" After all, that type of rhetoric certainly isn't
beneath you, as you have proven in the past few days. Were you saving
those quips for later? Naw, you probably aren't smart enough to think
of stuff like that -- I didn't start to hear the Gilligan jokes until
5th or 6th grade, and you seem to be limited to a 3rd grade education.


You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost
every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic
rage that comes over you when replying to my posts.

No more than any other, Frankie.

Nice try.


Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your
ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an
intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you
can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from
bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else.
You fell off your pedestal, Dudly.


And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I
ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal.


The difference is that I never tried to be the spelling cop. You did.
Once again, it's not about me, Dudly. It's about you and your lies (or
hypocrisy, as the case may be).


All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you.

So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the
thread?


Dave Heil was quite passionate about your defense, yet even -he-
hasn't posted for quite a while. Maybe he started looking at the
situation objectively and saw that you -are- a fraud. Who knows. I'm
sure he will speak for himself on the subject..... eventually.


Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out
to be...


Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have
simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you
could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me
and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof
that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because
they have no interest in defending your lies.


In your frenzy of hatred you
don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous
claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says
'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like
"General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was
honorable then there's no need to get it changed.

Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST
"Honorable". No qualifiers.


That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only
one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate
to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized
it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly.


And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only
truthfulness of the Marine Corps.

You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to
fix that.

And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too.


And even after your tirade about me snipping your posts you just
snipped my point about your "HONORABLE" discharge being "original"
while claiming to have had it later upgraded. That's evasive, Dudly.
So what does your -REVISED- discharge certificate say?


Just one more bogus
excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts
you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can
spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you
-do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use
cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either.

Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie.


Prove it. Prove me wrong, Dudly. Post any sort of convincing proof
that you are who you claim. Anything that I have posted to prove my
-own- service will be just fine (except for the telephone token, of
course).


Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me.


You're embarrassing yourself but you are too embellished in your lies
to admit it -- probably even to yourself.


I tell the truth
about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my
credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that
openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will
-ever- achieve.

Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and
convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful
thing, Frankie.


So you are trying once again to misrepresent my statements -- I said
nothing of the sort. I -am- proud of what I have accomplished in life,
and I -am- proud to have the integrity to be honest about who I am.
Apparently these simple concepts elude your understanding. That's
something for which you can blame your mommy and daddy -- clearly they
didn't teach you about such virtues as honesty and integrity.


Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear
on "America's Most Wanted".


Why would I do that? The criminals that are profiled may have the same
anti-social characteristics as you, but as far as I know you haven't
done anything so bad as to get your mug-shot shown on national TV.....
or have you?


And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort
into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just
scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out
the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be
resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't
because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention.

And you...?!?!


I have already posted more than enough info to prove my service
-beyond- the scope of public records, yet short of disclosing my SSN.
I showed you that it -can- be done, and -how- it can be done. What's
your excuse -NOW-?


You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie.


What does that have to do with your failure to provide proof of your
USMC service?


As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to
validate my "claims", as you call them through...


What does it mean to "call them through..."? Is that how to use
"effective paragraphs"?


YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone
with a similar name claiming someone else's "service".


It's just another type of "identity theft" and it happens all the
time. Don't you watch the news?


Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the
same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness.


Of course you expect such criticism -- you have already rationalized
that as an excuse to -not- provide such information. But you are
ignoring the fact that I provided my DD-214 in high resolution just to
pre-empt such a claim. And because it was high resolution I didn't
scan the whole document -- it would have been a -huge- file. Besides,
the whole document isn't needed. Just the important parts, such as
what I included in mine. So what's your excuse -=NOW=-, Dudly?


And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your
stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is
a fraud, and your life is a fraud.

Nope.


Well, that's proof for sure. I guess all the facts are moot and you
must be telling the truth about everything because you replied with a
definitive "Nope". Thanks for clarifying that for me, Dudly.


But your stories about it are.


Feel free to prove me wrong.


Frank Gilliland is a liar.


More "truth-by-repitition". One would think by now that you could come
up with a more effective argument...... or maybe even some proof!


Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from
the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective,
and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your
lies, and be yourself.

What lies?

The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five
Bretheren.


Apparently you haven't been reading my posts..... oh, that's right,
your reading comprehension extends only so far as to absorb whatever
fits into your fantasy world. Well, that's your problem, Dudly.
Everyone else here can read them with an objective frame of mind. And
don't forget that your lies are now in the archives for however long
the archives exist. IOW, they might be read by your great-great-
grandkids (god forbid you should ever reproduce). I can only imagine
how disillusioned they will be to find out who and what you really
are. Well, don't be discouraged because you probably won't have to
face them, even though they will be the victims of your public
dysfunction. Maybe even the subject of public ridicule. And all
because you get your kicks by impersonating someone you aren't. Even
if you -are- who you claim, they sure as hell aren't going to be proud
of your behavior in this newsgroup over the past several years.

But that's not your problem.


You will catch some flack to be sure, but that
will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize
this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't
accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know!

People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished
in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to
manufacture here.


Who?


But if you
keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to
improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this
negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you
who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business.

And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my
service in public.


Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served. For the
past couple weeks you have had the opportunity to make an absolute
fool out of me -- what's preventing you from doing so? I'll tell you:
because your claims are nothing but lies.


You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps,
Gilliland...


....yawn.


You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about.


Actually, I'm the bartender.


So what'll it be, Dudly?

I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie.


Of course you will -- you can't face the reality of your mental
illness so you need someone else to blame (it's always someone else's
fault, isn't it, Dudly?).


You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced
non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw.

A loser.


If you believe it, it must be true. Facts? FACTS? We don't need no
stinking FACTS!!! LOL!!!








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in
the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio
operator.

So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in
this group before.

You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a
"positive" thing...)

Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a
ham?

Jim Miccolis/N2EY, Steve Robeson/RE-4YZ, David Heil/K8MN, and Brian
Kelly/W3RV discussed closing this newsgroup to non-hams.

"...Where never is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are filled
with CW signals all day..."

Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

Since the chain of command was already in the
field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered
me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also
refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a
summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to
private. And a big hit on my conduct marks.

It's all becoming very, very clear.

Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex?

It wouldn't matter.

Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups".

A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters
irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command.

That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent.

He had recource. He didn't pursue it.

Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with
Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having
judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and
had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have,
at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article
15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the
"big story" than Frankie's telling of it...


Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The
presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision
based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include
the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet
occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a
reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal
order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit
into your twisted little fantasies.

I understand them fine.

You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it.

And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in
your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal.

Obviously they weren't.

Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by
yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or
an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available
or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in
the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ......

I know more than you think.

I also know your convictions can still be appealed.

Guess you don't care enough to fix them...or you were trutly
guilty as charged and just don't want to get your nose rubbed in your
Silliness again...

And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at
your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with
facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively
calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but
repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you-
think are effective at bolstering your credibility.

My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was
pock-marked with not one but two court martials.

No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims
you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the
facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-.

Based on what?

A less than Honorable discharge?

Yeeeah...Right.

You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie.

Only in -your- eyes, Dudly, because you deny the facts.

What facts?

That you were incompetent as a Marine and twice court martialed?

I accept that. You have certainly proven your worthiness of the
discharge you received here, that's for sure.

Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in
the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio
operator.

So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in
this group before.

For once you come close to some truth.

That didn't hurt too bad, did it?

You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a
"positive" thing...)

Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a
ham?

It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible"
attitude shows...

You used to try
and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with
almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out
of -this- thread.

If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in
response to MARKIE'S frequent changes.

So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise....

As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour...

And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's

Especially considering the source of the phrase -- someone that would
rather call me schoolyard names instead of addressing the facts.

They've been "addressed", Frankie.

You just insist on continuing to try and make it appear otherwise.

But I really am suprised that you haven't started with the Gilligan jokes;
like, "Hey Frank, where's the professor?", or "How come you haven't
bopped Mary Ann?"

Perhaps the Professor bores easily and Mary Ann has better
taste...?!?!

After all, that type of rhetoric certainly isn't
beneath you, as you have proven in the past few days. Were you saving
those quips for later? Naw, you probably aren't smart enough to think
of stuff like that -- I didn't start to hear the Gilligan jokes until
5th or 6th grade, and you seem to be limited to a 3rd grade education.

As a matter of fact, no, I hadn't thought of any "Gilligan" jokes,
nor would I have...

But YOU did, which leads me to wonder from what scarred psyche you
draw that from.

As for the "last few days", I point out that YOU have done nothing
but simply go from being marginally plausible in your arguments to
being absolutely comical.

You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost
every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic
rage that comes over you when replying to my posts.

No more than any other, Frankie.

Nice try.

Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your
ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an
intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you
can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from
bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else.
You fell off your pedestal, Dudly.

I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone.

Had you been paying attention at some time in the past, you would
have known that.

And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I
ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal.


The difference is that I never tried to be the spelling cop. You did.
Once again, it's not about me, Dudly. It's about you and your lies (or
hypocrisy, as the case may be).

What lies?

What hipocracy?

All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you.

So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the
thread?

Dave Heil was quite passionate about your defense, yet even -he-
hasn't posted for quite a while. Maybe he started looking at the
situation objectively and saw that you -are- a fraud. Who knows. I'm
sure he will speak for himself on the subject..... eventually.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! I see...Someone doesn't tow your line for more
than a post or two and they have "abandoned" something...

Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS,
Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of
things.

Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out
to be...

Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have
simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you
could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me
and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof
that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because
they have no interest in defending your lies.

What lies?

Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single
one, Frankie.

No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military
records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to
records that verify my having served.

YOUR lie disposed of.

In your frenzy of hatred you
don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous
claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says
'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like
"General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was
honorable then there's no need to get it changed.

Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST
"Honorable". No qualifiers.


That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only
one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate
to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized
it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly.

Nice try again, Frankie.

You're getting lame.

And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only
truthfulness of the Marine Corps.

You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to
fix that.

And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too.

And even after your tirade about me snipping your posts you just
snipped my point about your "HONORABLE" discharge being "original"
while claiming to have had it later upgraded. That's evasive, Dudly.
So what does your -REVISED- discharge certificate say?

What you quote as "upgraded" was nothing of the sort.

But it seems YOU are all about fighting other people's fights, all
the while trying to "diss" others who speak up in support of me.

Just one more bogus
excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts
you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can
spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you
-do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use
cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either.

Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie.

Prove it. Prove me wrong, Dudly. Post any sort of convincing proof
that you are who you claim. Anything that I have posted to prove my
-own- service will be just fine (except for the telephone token, of
course).

Already proven "wrong" by (1) my name and picture on several sites
and (2) by providing refrence to public records that you have already
"dismissed".

Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me.

You're embarrassing yourself but you are too embellished in your lies
to admit it -- probably even to yourself.

Nope.

I tell the truth
about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my
credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that
openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will
-ever- achieve.

Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and
convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful
thing, Frankie.

So you are trying once again to misrepresent my statements -- I said
nothing of the sort. I -am- proud of what I have accomplished in life,
and I -am- proud to have the integrity to be honest about who I am.
Apparently these simple concepts elude your understanding. That's
something for which you can blame your mommy and daddy -- clearly they
didn't teach you about such virtues as honesty and integrity.

I am not misrepresenting your statements in the least.

You present yourself here as some sort of "authority" on
all-things-Marine, but have been proven to have been an incompetent
Marine...Yet you wear your failure like some badge of honor...

That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be
proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do
what you promised you'd do.

I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of
the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a
single black mark in my SRB.

Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear
on "America's Most Wanted".

Why would I do that? The criminals that are profiled may have the same
anti-social characteristics as you, but as far as I know you haven't
done anything so bad as to get your mug-shot shown on national TV.....
or have you?

Nice twist..smooth...avoided the bullet but still close enough to
hear it whistle by your ear...

And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort
into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just
scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out
the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be
resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't
because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention.

And you...?!?!


I have already posted more than enough info to prove my service
-beyond- the scope of public records, yet short of disclosing my SSN.
I showed you that it -can- be done, and -how- it can be done. What's
your excuse -NOW-?

What "excuse" do I need?

I HAVE provided reference to public records, and those records are
as irrefuteable as the Privacy Act protected ones.

You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie.

What does that have to do with your failure to provide proof of your
USMC service?

I haven't failed.

You simply refuse to accept that it's the truth. That's YOUR
problem, frankie, not mine.

As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to
validate my "claims", as you call them through...

What does it mean to "call them through..."? Is that how to use
"effective paragraphs"?

YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone
with a similar name claiming someone else's "service".

It's just another type of "identity theft" and it happens all the
time. Don't you watch the news?

Sure I do.

And it's not applicable here.

It's just a Feeble Five attempt to avoid the truth.

Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the
same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness.

Of course you expect such criticism -- you have already rationalized
that as an excuse to -not- provide such information. But you are
ignoring the fact that I provided my DD-214 in high resolution just to
pre-empt such a claim. And because it was high resolution I didn't
scan the whole document -- it would have been a -huge- file.

Now THERE is an excuse!

Thirty years ago that WOULD have been a "-huge-" file to a TRS-80
that loaded data on music cassette tapes.

Besides,
the whole document isn't needed. Just the important parts, such as
what I included in mine. So what's your excuse -=NOW=-, Dudly?

There's no "excuse", Frankie...

References to publically available resources have been made. You
refuse to follow them up. Oh well.

And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your
stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is
a fraud, and your life is a fraud.

Nope.

Well, that's proof for sure. I guess all the facts are moot and you
must be telling the truth about everything because you replied with a
definitive "Nope". Thanks for clarifying that for me, Dudly.

Unlike you and Lennie, I don't need to re-write "War and Peace" to
effective respond.

"Nope" was adequate.

But your stories about it are.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Already done.

You're too much the coward to follow the trail yourself, Frankie.

Frank Gilliland is a liar.


More "truth-by-repitition". One would think by now that you could come
up with a more effective argument...... or maybe even some proof!

"repetition".

It's already been proven...In each and every line where you call
me a "fraud" or other such adjective over my USMC service.

Refrences to public records have been provided.

They prove that Frank Gilliland is a liar.

Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from
the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective,
and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your
lies, and be yourself.

What lies?

The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five
Bretheren.

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts..... oh, that's right,
your reading comprehension extends only so far as to absorb whatever
fits into your fantasy world.

Obvioulsy you've not been reading MINE, or you'd know whatever
fantasies I hold have nothing to do with you or the Feeble Five.

Well, that's your problem, Dudly.

Nope. It's yours.

Everyone else here can read them with an objective frame of mind. And
don't forget that your lies are now in the archives for however long
the archives exist. IOW, they might be read by your great-great-
grandkids (god forbid you should ever reproduce). I can only imagine
how disillusioned they will be to find out who and what you really
are.

Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned.

Disillusioned that grandpa got into a "fight" with a man he didn't
know over issues that were easily disporven in the public domain.

Silly Frankie...

Well, don't be discouraged because you probably won't have to
face them, even though they will be the victims of your public
dysfunction. Maybe even the subject of public ridicule. And all
because you get your kicks by impersonating someone you aren't.

And there we have it again...

Frank Gilliland making an untrue assertion in a public forum.

Even if you -are- who you claim, they sure as hell aren't going to be proud
of your behavior in this newsgroup over the past several years.

But that's not your problem.

And I seriously doubt it will be thiers...

You will catch some flack to be sure, but that
will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize
this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't
accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know!

People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished
in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to
manufacture here.

Who?

Anyone who has had professional interaction with me. Physicians
and Nurses from California to Chattanooga...Marines that I served with.
People who's lives I touch each and every day I go to work.

But if you
keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to
improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this
negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you
who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business.

And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my
service in public.

Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served.

I already have.

For the
past couple weeks you have had the opportunity to make an absolute
fool out of me -- what's preventing you from doing so? I'll tell you:
because your claims are nothing but lies.

No...

Frank Gilliland has been making an absolute fool out of Frank
Gilliland...What more could I possibly do?

Frank has proven that he's a disgraced, court martialed (twice)
ex-Marine.

Now, just because he "says so", wants anyone/everyone to "trust"
him when "dissing" MY service...

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. Right.

You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps,
Gilliland...

...yawn.

And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine.

You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about.

Actually, I'm the bartender.

No wonder the drinks are watered down.

So what'll it be, Dudly?

I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie.

Of course you will -- you can't face the reality of your mental
illness so you need someone else to blame (it's always someone else's
fault, isn't it, Dudly?).

Ah, yes!

Just like the REST of the Feeble Five...

Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily
disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental
illness"...

You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced
non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw.

A loser.

If you believe it, it must be true. Facts? FACTS? We don't need no
stinking FACTS!!! LOL!!!

There are TWO facts here...

I did Honorably serve in the United States Marine Corps and you're
still a loser.

To quote you...."yawn"...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


cut

Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by
yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or
an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available
or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in
the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ......

I know more than you think.

you'd have to know more than he think you do, or for that matter than I
think you do.

OTOH no one is likely to find out what you might know under all the
Bull**** you spew forth

I also know your convictions can still be appealed.

Guess you don't care enough to fix them...or you were trutly
guilty as charged and just don't want to get your nose rubbed in your
Silliness again...

And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at
your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with
facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively
calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but
repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you-
think are effective at bolstering your credibility.

My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was
pock-marked with not one but two court martials.

No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims
you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the
facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-.

cut.

You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a
"positive" thing...)

Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a
ham?

It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible"
attitude shows...

that is you balliwick Stevie

You used to try
and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with
almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out
of -this- thread.

If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in
response to MARKIE'S frequent changes.

So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise....

As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour...

Brothers? really now you are charting new ground in your delusions

or is it just another Stevie lie
cut

You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost
every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic
rage that comes over you when replying to my posts.

No more than any other, Frankie.

Nice try.

Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your
ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an
intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you
can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from
bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else.
You fell off your pedestal, Dudly.

I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone.

big whooper


Had you been paying attention at some time in the past, you would
have known that.

I guess it is Stevie that hasn't been paying attention but that is
hardly news

cut

Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS,
Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of
things.

hmm you have made major admissiions in the last week been caught lying
again yea very little in the scheme of things


Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out
to be...

Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have
simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you
could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me
and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof
that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because
they have no interest in defending your lies.

What lies?

one the lie that you were going to killfile some of us

Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single
one, Frankie.

of course we have

No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military
records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to
records that verify my having served.

more stevie lies

cut

That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only
one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate
to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized
it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly.

Nice try again, Frankie.

You're getting lame.

you have already admitted to being disabled and then denied it was
pyscial so course it is mental as you are showing right now


cut

That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be
proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do
what you promised you'd do.

Failed?

Gee I would say being court marialed would make someone better suited
to comment on such, Not that I would value such experence to go through
it for nothing


I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of
the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a
single black mark in my SRB.

yea you were somekind kiss ass of course
cut


Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned.

you do think a lot of yourself and of this medium
cut

Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served.

I already have.

proven nothing Stevie
cut
You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps,
Gilliland...

...yawn.

And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine.

indeed shows he grew up and moved on
cut
Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily
disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental
illness"...

you are the one going about mental illness threats to call folks

cut

nobodys_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


cut

Hey Frank...

You gonna let other people fight your fights for you?

I mean, after all, you made a point of chiding Dave Heil for
speaking on my behalf.

(Snickersnickersnickersnicker.....)

Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by
yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or
an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available
or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in
the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ......

I know more than you think.

you'd have to know more than he think you do, or for that matter than I
think you do.

I know a lot more than both of your together, no doubt.

OTOH no one is likely to find out what you might know under all the
Bull#### you spew forth

This is great!

A disgraced, twice court martialed, one enlistment, sick-bay
commando being "defended" by a never served, mentally deficient,
lied-about-being-a-colonel who admits to intentional deceit and deviant
behaviour!

Wadda pair!

Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a
ham?

It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible"
attitude shows...

that is you balliwick Stevie

Nope.

You used to try
and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with
almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out
of -this- thread.

If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in
response to MARKIE'S frequent changes.

So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise....

As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour...

Brothers? really now you are charting new ground in your delusions

Nope.

Brothers summs it up nicely.

or is it just another Stevie lie

Nope.

Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your
ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an
intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you
can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from
bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else.
You fell off your pedestal, Dudly.

I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone.

big whooper

"whopper"

Nope.

Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS,
Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of
things.

hmm you have made major admissiions in the last week been caught lying
again yea very little in the scheme of things

I've made NO "admissions", major or minor, Markie.

YOU have tried to draw conclusions based upon faulty or irrelevent
statements...In MOST cases you site as "quotes" words that you don't
actually QUOTE...

Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out
to be...

Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have
simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you
could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me
and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof
that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because
they have no interest in defending your lies.

What lies?

one the lie that you were going to killfile some of us

Some of you are.

Usually when you get into serious rant mode I just let you ramble
on until it's time to get into it again.

Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single
one, Frankie.

of course we have

No, you've not.

And thanks for YOUR "admission" of BEING in the Feeble Five,
Markie!

No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military
records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to
records that verify my having served.

more stevie lies

Where?

That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only
one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate
to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized
it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly.

Nice try again, Frankie.

You're getting lame.

you have already admitted to being disabled and then denied it was
pyscial so course it is mental as you are showing right now

"Physical"

No, it's not "mental", Markie.

And had I had a discharge from the Armed Forces for mental defect,
I would NOT have been allowed to ahve a Nursing license.

That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be
proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do
what you promised you'd do.

Failed?

Yes, FAILED.

Remember a couple of weeks ago YOUR lame efforts to suggest I had
violated an Oath to Defend the Constitution of the United States,
Markie?

Well Farankie had to take that SAME oath...and IN that oath HE
swore to obey the orders of those appointed above him.

He didn't do it.

Gee I would say being court marialed would make someone better suited
to comment on such, Not that I would value such experence to go through
it for nothing

"martialed"

I never needed to go through a court martial to learn that one
would be humiliating and would be a smear on my character for the rest
of my life, Markie...

I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of
the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a
single black mark in my SRB.

yea you were somekind kiss ### of course

Nope. I caught heat on a lot of occassions because I took a stand
on issues that I thoght were critical to do so on...

But there's a WAY and a MEANS to effecting that stand without
getting court martialed.

Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned.

you do think a lot of yourself and of this medium

It was Frankie's rant, Markie...

And I'm not the one carrying TWO court martials.

Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served.

I already have.

proven nothing Stevie

Proven that you and your Feeble Five Brothers are lairs and
cowards, Markie...especially Frankie who CLAIMS to have these great
resources at his disposal, yet can't seem to search them

You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps,
Gilliland...

...yawn.

And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine.

indeed shows he grew up and moved on

Nope.

He's here.

He's still a disgraced, court martialed, EX-Marine.

Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily
disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental
illness"...

you are the one going about mental illness threats to call folks

What threats? Call whom?

Steve, K4YZ

On 2 Sep 2005 05:15:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
om:

snip
(Snickersnickersnickersnicker.....)


=plonk=








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