.... yep, no matter how you slice or dice it, at some place in the past,
something "... was and always will be ...

The only argument left is if that "something" has an intelligence, I think
it is more than obvious it does, it made all this ...

The real argument is posed by people who do NOT want you to be endowed by
rights given to you by a creator. They wish to own you and be able to
either allow you some rights, or deny you those rights--usually based on
their appraisal of how much you are worth to them--it has always been the
story of all peoples and civilizations--"God" is very dangerous to those
who wish to control, use and own other individuals, groups and areas--as
they can only do so if those in question do not have rights which are
endowed them by a supreme creator...

.... be careful to argue against "God" too quickly, the forefathers placed
him in our constitution--they had a real purpose in doing so ...

John

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:39:26
-0700, Cmdr Buzz corey wrote:

KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote


In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)...


The only thing that I can think of which is more impossible to believe than "mud
became man" is angels that just "were".

73, de Hans, K0HB





So where did all the matter in the universe orginially come from? If it
had no beginning, the it just "was". If it did indeed have a beginning,
the what was before that?

"John Smith" wrote


The only argument left is if that "something" has an intelligence, I think
it is more than obvious it does, it made all this ...


Ah, yes, the last refuge of "I can't figure it out, so it must be magic done by
the "creator".

"God" is very dangerous to those who wish to control, use
and own other individuals, groups and areas.....

Actually history is replete with evidence that the most heinous "controllers"
tend to be members (often the leaders) of the dominant religious cult in their
era/region. Almost without exception they invoke the name and power of their
god as they march out to smite His enemies.


... be careful to argue against "God" too quickly, the forefathers placed
him in our constitution--they had a real purpose in doing so ...

Invoking the name of a god is a good way to control the ignorant masses.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

K0HB:

Sounds to me like you need a history lesson!

The crusades were wars against the same enemy we have today, muslim
terrorists--of course the muslims were/are claiming the christians (you
know, the guys whose motto is "turn the other cheek") were/are the "bad
guys." If they win this war, they will be claiming it in american
streets--the only good muslim is a dead one, I would volunteer to help...
actually, we only continue this crusades started long ago...

John


On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:44:01 +0000, KØHB wrote:


"John Smith" wrote


The only argument left is if that "something" has an intelligence, I think
it is more than obvious it does, it made all this ...


Ah, yes, the last refuge of "I can't figure it out, so it must be magic done by
the "creator".

"God" is very dangerous to those who wish to control, use
and own other individuals, groups and areas.....

Actually history is replete with evidence that the most heinous "controllers"
tend to be members (often the leaders) of the dominant religious cult in their
era/region. Almost without exception they invoke the name and power of their
god as they march out to smite His enemies.


... be careful to argue against "God" too quickly, the forefathers placed
him in our constitution--they had a real purpose in doing so ...

Invoking the name of a god is a good way to control the ignorant masses.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:23:38 -0700, John Smith
wrote in
:

K0HB:

Sounds to me like you need a history lesson!

The crusades were wars against the same enemy we have today, muslim
terrorists--of course the muslims were/are claiming the christians (you
know, the guys whose motto is "turn the other cheek") were/are the "bad
guys." If they win this war, they will be claiming it in american
streets--the only good muslim is a dead one, I would volunteer to help...
actually, we only continue this crusades started long ago...


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John Smith wrote:
K0HB:

Sounds to me like you need a history lesson!

The crusades were wars against the same enemy we have today, muslim
terrorists--of course the muslims were/are claiming the christians (you
know, the guys whose motto is "turn the other cheek") were/are the "bad
guys." If they win this war, they will be claiming it in american
streets--the only good muslim is a dead one, I would volunteer to help...
actually, we only continue this crusades started long ago...

Spoken like a fellow who doesn't actually know any Muslims, "John".

Dave K8MN